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Britain should rejoin the EU...

Gromit said:
No you don't.

For Quebec you might but Quebec isn't the whole of Canada. It has other states and other states will have different requirements.
For example Manitoba requires that you can Yodel.
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for skilled migration using the points based system you get points based on your French language skills. so yes if you've got enough points elsewhere you won't need to be competent in French. I never looked at state migration only skilled migration.
 
MickiQ said:
Pretty much yeah do you imagine that a socialist inclined UK could reasonably expect to get away with large scale nationalisation of German or French corporations let alone US or Chinese ones without having to face at least serious economic sanctions?
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Ah , so the lack of ambition in No Socialism isn't just due to the idea that 99% of the population wouldn't want to go further or EU regulations but actually is constrained by likely sanctions from countries that own business in our key services like energy, utilities, and transport if they were nationalised?

btw I'm not sure which model of French nationalisation you are referring to ;De Gaulle's post war wave of nationalisation, or Mitterands 'common programme' or perhaps you had in mind Macron's re- nationalisation of EDF?
 
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The39thStep said:
Ah , so the lack of ambition in No Socialism isn't just due to the idea that 99% of the population wouldn't want to go further or EU regulations but actually is constrained by likely sanctions from countries that own business in our key services like energy, utilities, and transport if they were nationalised?

btw I'm not sure which model of French nationalisation you are referring to ;De Gaulle's post war wave of nationalisation, or Mitterands 'common programme' or perhaps you had in mind Macron's re- nationalisation of EDF?
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Any is good for me all in favour of infrastructure being under some degree of public control. Though the chances of that is almost certainly nill for the foreseeable. It's manufacturing and services I'm dubious about.
But let me turn your question back at you assuming the day comes when things like the railways and the energy distribution companies end up in back in public hands. You seem to believe this will lead to an expanded desire for more nationalisation what makes you think that is likely?
 
Whilst I think that ultimately it will come down to the UK rejoining the EU because it has no other actual choice, I can't see it being anytime soon. The EU isn't got to want to discuss the UK (still a major regional power even if we're in decline as a global one) rejoining until it's certain we will stay joined. Why would they waste time and effort discussing it when in five years the Tories may come back and just cancel everything again? I suspect we will see more integration over the next five years especially if the miraculous happens and the LibDems replace the Blue Buffoons as the Loyal Opposition but rejoining the EU isn't going to come soon. We might join the EFTA as a step along the road but the UK is a bigger economy than the four existing members put together they might need some convincing.
 
I reckon Labour will be a bit more pragmatic and start trying to be cooperative on trade etc. rather than the self-spiting ideological nonsense the Tories have been running with. Otherwise small exporters are fucked.
 
MickiQ said:
Whilst I think that ultimately it will come down to the UK rejoining the EU because it has no other actual choice, I can't see it being anytime soon. The EU isn't got to want to discuss the UK (still a major regional power even if we're in decline as a global one) rejoining until it's certain we will stay joined. Why would they waste time and effort discussing it when in five years the Tories may come back and just cancel everything again? I suspect we will see more integration over the next five years especially if the miraculous happens and the LibDems replace the Blue Buffoons as the Loyal Opposition but rejoining the EU isn't going to come soon. We might join the EFTA as a step along the road but the UK is a bigger economy than the four existing members put together they might need some convincing.
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The other four members are very keen. It would make EFTA a much more serious player within the single market.
 
Dogsauce said:
I reckon Labour will be a bit more pragmatic and start trying to be cooperative on trade etc. rather than the self-spiting ideological nonsense the Tories have been running with. Otherwise small exporters are fucked.
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Those are the noises they have been making so far, but why let their majority go to waste? Can’t leave anything for a second term.
 
klang said:
To be fucked over by the EU :thumbs:
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I for one would welcome (back) our EU overlords. Then again we all keep forgetting that as an EU member, the UK government would also be one of our EU overlords. And seeing as the UK government already are and will forever be our overlords, we are going to be at the mercy of the same fucking overlords regardless of whether we are in the EU or not.

And you know what? I’d much rather have our unavoidable UK government overlords being part of a collective that, for all its many faults, at least ensures certain rights and protections for the populace, than our unavoidable UK government overlords not being bound by any safeguard rules regarding human rights, employment welfare or food welfare regulations, Or to have a potential free hand to overturn various hard earned rights for workers and ordinary citizens most countries outside the EU could only dream of, if the wrong nutjob government coalition wins an election.
 
It would worry me if the UK was a member of the EU if the Republic of Mexico was also a member, as I don't like heights and Mexico City is about 8,000 feet above sea level, and the EU might copy the British government and implement a "levelling up" agenda. We might all have to live at an average altitude of 4,000 feet, which would be fine for people who live on Ben Nevis, but not for me.
 
PTK said:
Well, I for one am glad that the UK is no longer in the EU, as the EU is committed to capitalism, and now the UK is free to introduce socialism.
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TBF, the UK is now also free to deregulate legislation protecting workers and consumers alike from unchecked greed and unethical practices from employers and big corporations tempted to maximise shareholder profits over the quality or even safety of their products.

But I’m sure Brexit will only possibly lead to the socialist paradise scenario, rather than the late stage US-style capitalism alternative. How could it possibly be otherwise? I frankly despair at the naysayers proposing otherwise.
 
T & P said:
TBF, the UK is now also free to deregulate legislation protecting workers and consumers alike from unchecked greed and unethical practices from employers and big corporations tempted to maximise shareholder profits over the quality or even safety of their products.

But I’m sure it will only lead to the socialist paradise scenario, rather than late stage US-style capitalism alternative. How could it possibly be otherwise??
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Well, the vanguard of the proletariat told me that the UK should leave the EU because the EU is committed to defending capitalism, and I believed them. I am glad that the British state is not committed to defending capitalism, and that the Army, the Police, and the MPs all swear allegiance to the people rather than to some unelected figure head.
 
Urgent for all of Urban's rejoin the EU activists

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible

I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom. I believe that Brexit hasn't brought any tangible benefit and there is no future prospect of any, that the UK has changed its mind and that this should be recognised.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
 
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