Britain should rejoin the EU...

[MickiQ]

Pisspoor. What about deux bieres s'il-vous-plait, ou se trouve l'auberge, c'est combien pour deux bouteilles de vin, or j'ai oubliais mon argent?

You clearly paid loads more attention than I did.

 

[danny la rouge]

You clearly paid loads more attention than I did.

 

[danny la rouge]

I do wish there had been far more abstentions though. I think the high voter turnout was a bad thing. It helps create the myth that the country was divided down the middle into two polar opposite camps. That would be far harder to sell if fewer people had been arsed voting. I was close to not voting. I kind of wish I’d stuck to that.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Pisspoor. What about deux bieres s'il-vous-plait, ou se trouve l'auberge, c'est combien pour deux bouteilles de vin, or j'ai oubliais mon argent?

"I said, I want a cox's pippin pomme! - understand now, Miguel?"

 

[Elpenor]

Keep misreading this as Bahrain should join the EU

 

[JimW]

Keep misreading this as Bahrain should join the EU

Similar governance model.

 

[danny la rouge]

Keep misreading this as Bahrain should join the EU

I think they should. Poll!

 

[TopCat]

Pisspoor. What about deux bieres s'il-vous-plait, ou se trouve l'auberge, c'est combien pour deux bouteilles de vin, or j'ai oubliais mon argent?

Useful stuff.

 

[JimW]

It should join the Commonwealth so we could do a radio programme about it called Bahrain of Britain.

 

[The39thStep]

Well we both know it wasn't an outcome, my definition of Lexit would be very similar to yours. People arguing against EU membership on the grounds that it was a neoliberal project and that there was quote "No Path To Socialism" inside the EU (can't remember who said that so apols if it was you). Fair enough I agree there was indeed "No Path To Socialism" (assuming that's what you want) inside the EU, it's just there is no path to it outside it either.

So in your opinion Micki is there a path to anything in terms of achieving a more equitable society ?

 

[Sasaferrato]

We all know what a currency in the shitter looks like. The Turkish lira before revaluation. The German mark after the first World war. The rouble in the early 90s etc etc. For me a currency in the shitter is one that's collapsing. And it shows little sign of that. As for your 40 years, it's not 1982 that saw the lowest point of the pound v dollar but 1985.

That is what your currency in the shitter looks like. That is a 50Bn Mark stamp. The day before currency reform, you needed four of these to send a postcard across Berlin, it actually cost you four times that, 800Bn Marks, because it was costing more to print the stamps than they were worth.

 

[Supine]

It should join the Commonwealth so we could do a radio programme about it called Bahrain of Britain.

They already became independent from us. Not sure they’d want to go back

 

[Elpenor]

It should join the Commonwealth so we could do a radio programme about it called Bahrain of Britain.

The migration of skilled workers to other countries is known as the Bahrain drain

 

[MickiQ]

So in your opinion Micki is there a path to anything in terms of achieving a more equitable society ?

There are loads of paths to a more equitable society (though they are all roped off currently), greater social democracy, more equitable taxation, an expansion of the welfare state, improvements to the NHS, better subsidised and preferably free education, even some state control of key industries perhaps something along the Nordic or even the French model. The 2017 Labour manifesto had some good ideas mixed in with bad ones.
But true socialism in the sense of the workers controlling the means of production and us all having the same share? Nope not now not ever.

 

[danny la rouge]

There are loads of paths to a more equitable society (though they are all roped off currently), greater social democracy, more equitable taxation, an expansion of the welfare state, improvements to the NHS, better subsidised and preferably free education, even some state control of key industries perhaps something along the Nordic or even the French model. The 2017 Labour manifesto had some good ideas mixed in with bad ones.
But true socialism in the sense of the workers controlling the means of production and us all having the same share? Nope not now not ever.

Do you think this Not Socialism is only achievable inside the EU or only achievable outside the EU? Or do you think it could be achieved regardless of relationship with the EU?

 

[MickiQ]

Do you think this Not Socialism is only achievable inside the EU or only achievable outside the EU? Or do you think it could be achieved regardless of relationship with the EU?

I think my version of "Not Socialism" (love the name) could be achieved either inside or outside the EU but was probably more likely (though not guaranteed) inside than out.

 

[The39thStep]

There are loads of paths to a more equitable society (though they are all roped off currently), greater social democracy, more equitable taxation, an expansion of the welfare state, improvements to the NHS, better subsidised and preferably free education, even some state control of key industries perhaps something along the Nordic or even the French model. The 2017 Labour manifesto had some good ideas mixed in with bad ones.
But true socialism in the sense of the workers controlling the means of production and us all having the same share? Nope not now not ever.

If we got those in place what would stop us from going further?

 

[weltweit]

Nope, we left, time to make the best of it ..

 

[A380]

Nope, we left, time to make the best of it ..

Yep, pass me a slice of that suculant baked rat, delicious ....

 

[MickiQ]

If we got those in place what would stop us from going further?

Reality? The world we currently live in is not an environment conducive to such things and the idea that the UK can just say well we will go our own way and ignore the rest of the world while we build a socialist utopia./dystopia is just plain daft.
The main reason though is I think 99+% of the population of this country just wouldn't want to go any further. People in this country definitely want a fairer society I don't think they want that.
Things may change both worldwide and in the UK but not in our lifetimes probably not in centuries.

 

[kebabking]

Yep, pass me a slice of that suculant baked rat, delicious ....

Don't brag - the bandits will on you as soon as darkness falls.

 

[The39thStep]

Reality? The world we currently live in is not an environment conducive to such things and the idea that the UK can just say well we will go our own way and ignore the rest of the world while we build a socialist utopia./dystopia is just plain daft.
The main reason though is I think 99+% of the population of this country just wouldn't want to go any further. People in this country definitely want a fairer society I don't think they want that.
Things may change both worldwide and in the UK but not in our lifetimes probably not in centuries.

So let me get this straight. Your Not Socialism is achievable and more likely achievable within the EU. However, anything that would go further than your Not Socialism wouldn't be achievable mainly because only 1% of the UK population would , having got to the dizzy heights of Not Socialism, want to go any further. There is also the view that going any further would mean that we would ignore the rest of the world.?

 

[danny la rouge]

So let me get this striaght. Your Not Socialism is achievable and more likely achievable within the EU. However anything that would go further than your Not Socialism wouldn't be achievable mainly because only 1% of the UK population would having got to the dizzy heights of No Socialism , not want to go any further. There is also the view that going any further would mean that we would ignore the rest of the world.?

Yeah, it seems Micki is only able to discuss the EU by making reference to positions nobody holds.

 

[MickiQ]

So let me get this striaght. Your Not Socialism is achievable and more likely achievable within the EU. However anything that would go further than your Not Socialism wouldn't be achievable mainly because only 1% of the UK population would , having got to the dizzy heights of Not Socialism, not want to go any further. There is also the view that going any further would mean that we would ignore the rest of the world.?

Pretty much yeah do you imagine that a socialist inclined UK could reasonably expect to get away with large scale nationalisation of German or French corporations let alone US or Chinese ones without having to face at least serious economic sanctions?

 

[Serge Forward]

Pretty much yeah do you imagine that a socialist inclined UK could reasonably expect to get away with large scale nationalisation of German or French corporations let alone US or Chinese ones without having to face at least serious economic sanctions?

If the UK were ever in a position to become socialist, whether it were in the EU or not would have no relevance. Nor would the political entity known as the United Kingdom be any more relevant. Socialism would need to bin that off. Oh, and socialism is international, so it wouldn't just be based on the territory currently controlled by the UK.

As for "large scale nationalisation" that doesn't equate to socialism either... but that's a bit off topic for this thread.

 

[MickiQ]

If the UK were ever in a position to become socialist, whether it were in the EU or not would have no relevance. Nor would the political entity known as the United Kingdom be any more relevant. Socialism would need to bin that off. Oh, and socialism is international, so it wouldn't just be based on the territory currently controlled by the UK.

As for "large scale nationalisation" that doesn't equate to socialism either... but that's a bit off topic for this thread.

I eagerly look forward to the day that I can watch the US Senate singing a quick chorus of "We'll keep the Red Flag Flying here"

 

[Serge Forward]

That wouldn't equal socialism either.

 

[Yossarian]

I eagerly look forward to the day that I can watch the US Senate singing a quick chorus of "We'll keep the Red Flag Flying here"

 

[Gromit]

I'd rather joing the KSA

I'd rather join the KLF.

KLF is gonna rock ya.

 

[A380]

I'd rather join the KLF.

KLF is gonna rock ya.

You would be justified.


And ancient.