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Britain should rejoin the EU...

The39thStep said:
Urgent for all of Urban's rejoin the EU activists

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Apply for the UK to join the European Union as a full member as soon as possible

I believe joining the EU would boost the economy, increase global influence, improve collaboration and provide stability & freedom. I believe that Brexit hasn't brought any tangible benefit and there is no future prospect of any, that the UK has changed its mind and that this should be recognised.
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Could a further march be held to build towards 70,000 signatures?


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Is it not high time the the UK pulled out of CERN and collided its own sub-atomic particles? Higgs was British, and it should have been a British hadron collider that detected his boson. We could re-purpose the Central Line in London.
 
Not sure why some people apparently consider images of dorky-looking Rejoin protesters to be a devastating riposte when we all know what the pro-Brexit protesters looked like
 
T & P said:
I for one would welcome (back) our EU overlords. Then again we all keep forgetting that as an EU member, the UK government would also be one of our EU overlords. And seeing as the UK government already are and will forever be our overlords, we are going to be at the mercy of the same fucking overlords regardless of whether we are in the EU or not.

And you know what? I’d much rather have our unavoidable UK government overlords being part of a collective that, for all its many faults, at least ensures certain rights and protections for the populace, than our unavoidable UK government overlords not being bound by any safeguard rules regarding human rights, employment welfare or food welfare regulations, Or to have a potential free hand to overturn various hard earned rights for workers and ordinary citizens most countries outside the EU could only dream of, if the wrong nutjob government coalition wins an election.
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Well you can’t have that.
 
Perhaps Starmer would feel more at home now with where the EU's heading, so could be persuaded.

From the Keir Starmer's time is up thread (thanks The39thStep):

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[snipped copy of Guardian article]
[photo of Meloni and Starmer standing quite close together and smiling]
Giorgia Meloni
Far-right Italian PM says she is 'in tune on so many issues' with Keir Starmer

Giorgia Meloni says she and Starmer agree on need to explore 'innovative solutions' for [cuts off]
 
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The EU isn't going to allow us to rejoin until there is support for it across all political parties in the UK and there just isn't. There's no point in Labour negotiating us rejoining if there is going to a GE halfway through the process and the Tories/ReFuk promptly knock the whole thing on the head.
I suspect there is probably more support for EU membership in the general populace as a lot of people have discovered that the grass isn't greener on the other side.
I favour us rejoining since economic growth which is a pre-req to pretty much everything else isn't going to happen whilst we're outside it but I can't see it happening anytime soon.
bcuster said:
Mexico and Canada would breathe new life into EU
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Aren't they ear-marked (along with Greenland and Panama) to be part of the New American Empire?
 
weltweit said:
Too late to join now, we wouldn't get such a deal as we had in any case and would have to take the Euro etc. That doesn't stop us improving our relations though, which we should be doing.
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The we wouldn't get our auld deal back has been mentioned so often since 2016 that it's threadbare and no longer fit for production. As for it's too late now, france left nato in the 1966 and only rejoined in 2009 - it's certainly possible for the UK to go back in, if they'll have us. But they might insist on us having the Euro rather than the pound
 
Pickman's model said:
The we wouldn't get our auld deal back has been mentioned so often since 2016 that it's threadbare and no longer fit for production. As for it's too late now, france left nato in the 1966 and only rejoined in 2009 - it's certainly possible for the UK to go back in, if they'll have us. But they might insist on us having the Euro rather than the pound
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As I've oft repeated on here, the UK's anti common market/EC/EEC/EU lobby started to get their act together at least 12 years before the UK joined in 1973 and then, having lost the 1975 ratification referendum, spent the next 41 years campaigning against membership. It's a loooonnngggggg game.
 
Pickman's model said:
The we wouldn't get our auld deal back has been mentioned so often since 2016 that it's threadbare and no longer fit for production. As for it's too late now, france left nato in the 1966 and only rejoined in 2009 - it's certainly possible for the UK to go back in, if they'll have us. But they might insist on us having the Euro rather than the pound
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I'm not sure why the "we won't get the same deal as before" bit s that important tbh. We all know that but for all it's faults (and yes, there are many), rejoining the EU has to be better than the cluster fuck we have been left in since leaving. Having lived in both Italy and France the idea of adopting the Euro doesn't particularly bother me (although hopefully without the price hikes we had in Italy when it changed over).
 
I’m a Labour Party member and am actually pretty happy with what they’ve done. £70bn more for public services and planning reform to try to boost the economy seem the right answers. I think it’s important they are holding firm on Net Zero too. But the elephant in the room is Brexit. Does anyone know what is the estimated % boost to growth we’d get from joining the single market and/or customs union? Remind me what’s the difference between those two things again…

I wonder if Labour can frame it in a few years as “we know this will be controversial but we have no choice, we need to boost the economy to pay for public services”.
 
Free trade agreements and far closer ties with South American countries such as Argentina, Bolivia, Colombia and Peru which have a tradition of attempting to stand outside the US orbit and are rich in natural resources. Imposing visa requirements on Colombians was a retrogressive step and business and tourist visas should not be imposed on visitors from friendly countries. If we had a functional immigration service legitimate visitors would be welcomed without archaic visa requirements.

Far stronger ties with North Africa, especially Morocco due to its agricultural products, solar energy and potential land links to West Africa. There were post Brexit plans for direct RoRo ferries from Tangier to UK which in typical Shapps fashion came to nought.

Far closer economic and customs ties with Albania and Turkey who are rapidly becoming regional power houses.

Actually build on the Japan free trade agreement by focusing far more on exports and regional ties. There is a big untapped demand for quality UK products in Japan which should be developed.

There is absolutely no reason why the UK couldn't be taking a far greater advantage of post Brexit realities but unfortunately seem hidebound by an obsession with copying the US, looking backwards to the stagnating EU or accommodating ex empire countries such as India who appear to wish to damage the UK in order to increase their domestic popularity.
 
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Rixa said:
I’m a Labour Party member and am actually pretty happy with what they’ve done. £70bn more for public services and planning reform to try to boost the economy seem the right answers. I think it’s important they are holding firm on Net Zero too. But the elephant in the room is Brexit. Does anyone know what is the estimated % boost to growth we’d get from joining the single market and/or customs union? Remind me what’s the difference between those two things again…

I wonder if Labour can frame it in a few years as “we know this will be controversial but we have no choice, we need to boost the economy to pay for public services”.
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How are they holding firm on net zero? Did you not notice the abandoning of the £28bn green investment pledge? I don't think there's a single thing they've held firm on
 
There are various studies that claim our economy is 5-6% smaller than it would be if we hadn't left. Such studies have a certain amount of 'wet finger' calculation about them especially given Covid happened as we left but no-one is claiming the economy is larger because of Brexit.
It's now about 'Freedom' but we don't seem to have acquired much of that either.
 
Rixa said:
I’m a Labour Party member and am actually pretty happy with what they’ve done. £70bn more for public services and planning reform to try to boost the economy seem the right answers. I think it’s important they are holding firm on Net Zero too. But the elephant in the room is Brexit. Does anyone know what is the estimated % boost to growth we’d get from joining the single market and/or customs union? Remind me what’s the difference between those two things again…

I wonder if Labour can frame it in a few years as “we know this will be controversial but we have no choice, we need to boost the economy to pay for public services”.
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They could try to frame it like that but I suspect the requirements for substantial payments to the EU would hurt any proposal. The proposed agreement with the Swiss and the current Swiss/EU treaties wouldn't be exactly popular in the UK.
 
Pickman's model said:
How are they holding firm on net zero? Did you not notice the abandoning of the £28bn green investment pledge? I don't think there's a single thing they've held firm on
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I like the forum format where if you say something which someone disagrees with they will come straight back at you! WhatsApp and Facebook weren’t doing it for me…

Labour have unbanned onshore wind, have stuck with the electric car ban by 2030, reforming planning to build more solar, have resurrected hs2, and are committed to getting to 90% of our power from clean energy to 2030. I agree they could be doing more and it’s a shame they dropped the £28bn. But at least they are sticking with the rhetoric and not giving in to the idea that cost of living trumps global heating.

It is utterly pathetic that large parts of the right just pretend this problem doesn’t exist, or downplay it, or use it as a wedge issue. Honestly the most embarrassing childish cop-out and it’s the one thing that makes me disrespect the whole of the political right. I’ve got a lot more thoughts on climate change and net zero but I guess here isn’t the thread for that.
 
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