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Sheridan perjury trial opens on Monday

I am unsure of this but read on SU - in reply to a question about wether the SSP exec had no choice about testifying in court:

The reply was:

They did no thave to be involved.

At a meeting on 9/11/04, there was a discussion about an article in NOTW from October, and a personal discussion about Sheridan’s private life.

Proper procedure would have been to suspend standing orders and not minute this. Barbara Scott ignored common conventions of meetings and took an almost verbatim acocunt, that at the end of the meeting she gave to Alan Green for safe keeping.

People now have different recollections of that meeting; but it was a private meeting that need never have neen in the public domain.[/I}


At this meeting Sheridan's intent to sue the NOTW was discussed and consequently he was asked to resign as convener. That is, it wasn't just a meeting to discuss Sheridan's private life and tittle tattle in papers. It was a meeting in which a significant political decision was taken. I suspect that this is why it was minuted. I should point out that the minutes were not even confidential at this point. It wasn't until the next EC meeting that it was agreed to keep the minutes 9th November minutes confidential.


dennisr said:
However … … …

The very next day, SSP organiser, Duncan Roawn walked into the NOTW office and voluntarily gave them imfo about the previous day’s exec meeting, and without her knowledge put NOTW on the track of Katrina trolle, alledgeing that she was the one who Sheridan was having an affair with.

Katrina Trolle then gave her story to NOTW.

I think Andy Newman might be confusing Katrine Trolle with Fiona Maguire. I'm unclear about Duncan Rowan's motives were, but he seems to have been trying to protect Fiona Maguire.

To be honest I don't think the SSP's strategy of keeping the minutes confidential would have worked anyway. You can't exactly keep Tommy's resignation a secret.

dennisr said:
A couple of days after Rown went to the NOTW, Alan McCombes went to the Herald and gave a sworn affadvit that issues had been discussed at the 9/11/04 meeting which the SSP could have used to force Sheridan’s resignation.

I don't know the motives behind the affidavit, but that sounds plausible. Maybe McCombes felt he needed to pressurise Sheridan. But so what? The mistake was in not going public with the minutes not in leaking drips and drabs to the press. Sheridan's resignation and the silence on the reasons behind the resignation caused such confusion.

dennisr said:
At this point it was inevitable that SSP witnesses would be called if a libel action was commenced, but dragging them into court was not the work of Sheridan, but of McCombes, Scott and Rowan, who made sure that the contested and controversial nature of the 9/11/04 meeting was in the public domain.

There has not been any rebuttal of this comment - so i guess it holds? As PT said above though: "if Sheridan hadn't of pursued litigation in the first place then it could all have been avoided. "

Again, so what? They could have subverted party democracy in order to avoid legal issues? I'd like to say good on them for not giving into Sheridan's legalistic pressure. The pity is that they tried to have it both ways.
 
So if I can make sense of the above, the bourgeois courts were acting on behalf of the socialist future when Archer and Aitken went down. Interesting theory.

I've known shop stewards who would happily defend their mates but would grass up co-workers they didn't like. Never thought much of that mentality myself, I've always liked the "injury to one is an injury to all" slogan. If Sheridan is worth defending then so were Archer and Aitken. Tory bastards have rights too.

Is anybody in the Sheridan camp going to come up with an even half principled opposition to the perjury laws? Or is it that they think that Tommy is a socialist version of the queen and should be exempt from the laws of the land? Or do they think he's innocent? What is the basis for defending Tommy?

Aitken and Archer really couldn't avoid ending up in court for their blatent actions being found out, but by gum both have some chequered history, that eclipses Sheridan's minor infraction by a more than a country mile. Please excuse the C&P odyssey, but the comparisons need to be seen for what they are.

Archer has had a dodgy past setting up charity fundraising organisations some alleging financial discrepancies. Also involved in an alleged fraudulent investment scheme.

During his tenure as deputy chairman, Archer was responsible for a number of embarrassing moments, including his statement, made during a live radio interview, that many young, unemployed people were simply unwilling to find work. At the time of Archer's comment, unemployment in the UK stood at a record 3.4 million. Archer was later forced to apologise for the remark, suggesting that his words had been "taken out of context".

Then came the libel case with the Daily Star alleging that Archer had slept with Coghlan. Archer responded by suing the Daily Star. The case came to court in July 1987. Explaining the payment to Coghlan as the action of a philanthropist rather than that of a guilty man, Archer won the case and was awarded £500,000 damages. Archer stated he would donate the money to charity? The judge said of Jeffrey Archer, "Is he in need of cold, unloving, rubber-insulated sex in a seedy hotel round about quarter to one on a Tuesday morning after an evening at the Caprice?"

Then anther libel case with accusations in Archers book: Twist in the Tale, portraying Major General James Oluleye to be a thief. He lost that one.

In May 1991, Archer then organised a charity pop concert, to raise money for the Kurds, starring Rod Stewart, Paul Simon, Sting and Gloria Estefan, who all performed for free. Archer claimed that his charity had raised £57,042,000, though it was later revealed that only £3 million came from the Simple Truth concert and appeal, the rest from aid projects sponsored by the British and other governments, with significant amounts pledged before the concert. The charity would later result in further controversy.

Then was allegations of insider dealing surrounding the takeover of Anglia Television. Archer sold shares on behalf of his friend for a profit of £77,219.

Then on 21 November 1999, the News of the World published allegations that he had committed perjury in his 1987 libel case. Archer withdrew his candidacy for London Mayor the following day.

The basis of the allegations originated with Ted Francis, a friend who claimed Archer owed him money, and Angela Peppiatt, Archer's former personal assistant. They stated that Archer had fabricated an alibi in the 1987 trial and were concerned that Archer was unsuitable to stand as Mayor of London. On 19 July 2001, Archer was found guilty of perjury and perverting the course of justice at the 1987 trial. He was sentenced to four years' imprisonment. During his "imprisonment" Archer was let out to work at the Theatre Royal in Lincoln, England, and was allowed occasional home visits. Media reports claimed he had been abusing this privilege by attending lunches with friends, including former Education Secretary Gillian Shephard. On 21 July 2003, Archer was released on licence, after serving half of his sentence.

In July 2001, shortly after being jailed for perjury, Archer's name was again shrouded in controversy, when Scotland Yard began investigating allegations that millions of pounds had disappeared from Archer's Kurdish charity.

In 1991, Archer had claimed to have raised £57,042,000. In 1992, the Kurdish Disaster Fund had written to Archer, complaining: "You must be concerned that the Kurdish refugees have seen hardly any of the huge sums raised in the west in their name." Kurdish groups claimed little more than £250,000 had been received by groups in Iraq. Archer then had gone to Iraq on a fact-finding mission, where his chant of "Long Live Kurdistan" was mis-translated as "Bastard, Devilish Kurdistan."

In 2004, the government of Equatorial Guinea alleged that Archer was one of the financiers of the failed 2004 coup d'état attempt against them, citing bank details and telephone records as evidence.

The satirical magazine Private Eye refers to Archer as 'Jeffrey Archole' or 'Lord Archole' and characterises him as a liar and fantasist. On occasion it has published spoofs of Archer's fiction, describing a thinly-veiled heroic version of himself called 'Jeremy Bowman'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Archer

Then we have Jonathan William Patrick Aitken. He was convicted of perjury in 1999 and received an 18-month prison sentence, of which he served seven months.

In 1970 Aitken was acquitted at the Old Bailey for breaching section 2 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 when he photocopied a report about the British government's supply of arms to Nigeria, and sent a copy to The Sunday Telegraph and to Hugh Fraser, a pro-Biafran Tory MP. As a result of the case he was dropped as a candidate for the Thirsk and Malton parliamentary constituency.

He was later accused of violating ministerial rules by allowing an Arab businessman to pay for his stay in the Paris Ritz, perjured himself and was jailed. Aitken had previously been a director of BMARC, an arms exporter from 1988 to 1990.

In 1995 a commons motion showed that he had signed a controversial Public Interest Immunity Certificate (PIIC) in September 1992 relating to the Matrix Churchill trial; and that the 'gagged' documents included ones relating to the supply of arms to Iraq by BMARC for a period when he was a director of the company.

He became Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 1994, a Cabinet position, but resigned in 1995 following the allegations that he had violated ministerial rules.

When Aitken was defeated in the 1997 election. Within a year he was appointed as a representative for the arms company GEC-Marconi.

On 10 April 1995, The Guardian carried a front-page report on Aitken's dealings with leading Saudis. The story was the result of a long investigation carried out by journalists from the newspaper and from Granada TV's World In Action programme. Aitken's response was these memorable words:

"If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it. My fight begins today. Thank you and good afternoon."

The World In Action film, Jonathan of Arabia, went ahead and Aitken carried out his threat to sue. The action collapsed in June 1997 (a month after he had lost his seat in the 1997 General Election) when the Guardian and Granada produced, via their counsel George Carman QC, evidence countering his claim that his wife, Lolicia Aitken, paid for the hotel stay.

The evidence consisted of airline vouchers and other documents showing that his wife had, in fact, been in Switzerland at the time when she had allegedly been at the Ritz in Paris.

The joint Guardian/Granada investigation indicated an arms deal scam involving Aitken's friend and business partner, the Lebanese businessman Mohammed Said Ayas, a close associate of Prince Mohammed of Saudi Arabia.

It was alleged that Aitken had been prepared to have his teenage daughter Victoria lie under oath to support his version of events had the case continued.

A few days after the libel case collapsed, World In Action broadcast a special edition, which echoed Aitken's "sword of truth" speech. It was entitled The Dagger of Deceit.

During this time it emerged that Aitken was chairman of a right wing think-tank Le Cercle when he was being encouraged to resign. The secretive group apparently received funding from the CIA.

Aitken was charged with perjury and perverting the course of justice, and in 1999 was jailed for 18 months, of which he served seven.

After serving his prison sentence, Aitken appeared on an episode of the BBC satirical quiz show Have I Got News for You. During this appearance, Ian Hislop produced a letter confirming Aitken's bankruptcy and announced that Aitken still owed Hislop's magazine (Private Eye) £13,702, several years after the bankruptcy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Aitken

Don't let me stop you, go ahead and keep defending the rights of these "Tory bastards", serial liars and duplicitous scum.
 
Don't let me stop you, go ahead and keep defending the rights of these "Tory bastards", serial liars and duplicitous scum.

I fail to see your point. They were convicted of perjury like Sheridan. They weren't convicted of being serial liars and duplicitous scum.
 

"If every one of those who lie whilst under oath when giving evidence were brought back before the courts on a change of perjury, then the British judicial system would crash with overload, and British prisons would be full of police officers, barristers, expert witnesses and god knows who else."

Unfortunately for Tommy, some idiot decided to run the civil action based on " alls of youse is lyin scab scum" so when he won, someone had to be prosecuted. Clearly the Crown Office spotted that the opposite was actually the case.

"I hestitate not to pronounce, that every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client" - he'll have a job claiming incompetent representation at the appeal.......
 
I suspect the point will be lost on you Cobbles but Mick's point is that perjury convictions are inherently hypocritical not that socialists should have defended Sheridan's lies.

Is anybody going to condemn the perjury laws? Is anybody going condemn the SSP leadership for welcoming the perjury investigation? Or are the Sheridianistas going to wiffle on about George McNeilage and his magnificent exposure of Sheridan's lies?
 
You deserve an OBE.

Why? Defending George McNeilage's excellent expose of Sheridan's lies isn't difficult. It worked a treat so I'm glad he did it. The end justifies the means.

But now I'm more interested in why none of the Sheridanistas will not oppose the injustice of the perjury laws.
 
I fail to see your point. They were convicted of perjury like Sheridan. They weren't convicted of being serial liars and duplicitous scum.

More's the pity. I'm talking about sham bourgeois morality. Examining Sheridan's history, a man with little power and control, then comparing his powerlessness alongside the history of Archer and Aitken, both very powerful men, through their privileged class position, gives some indication of bias in the system. Even though Archer and Aitken were convicted of perjury eventually, there were other (those that have been reported), allegations of 'violating ministerial rules', 'financial discrepancies', 'fraudulent investments', 'insider dealing' even allegations of a 'coup plot' over a period of time, but to be clear, these are allegations, not proven in any court. Despite that this is really about control - a function of the class struggle. There really is no equivalence here to be made.
 
More's the pity. I'm talking about sham bourgeois morality. Examining Sheridan's history, a man with little power and control, then comparing his powerlessness alongside the history of Archer and Aitken, both very powerful men, through their privileged class position, gives some indication of bias in the system. Even though Archer and Aitken were convicted of perjury eventually, there were other (those that have been reported), allegations of 'violating ministerial rules', 'financial discrepancies', 'fraudulent investments', 'insider dealing' even allegations of a 'coup plot' over a period of time, but to be clear, these are allegations, not proven in any court. Despite that this is really about control - a function of the class struggle. There really is no equivalence here to be made.

Actually Sheridan was pretty powerful and privileged in his own way. He could rely on the almost unquestioning support of hundreds if not thousands of activists. Normally the use of libel/defamation laws is the privilege of the elite who can afford the legal fees. Sheridan also had pretty privileged position in Scottish bourgeois life. He had celebrity status, he had columns in the papers, he was the socialist conscience of bourgeois Scottish nationalism. A cosy role that he lapped up.

Not that that's relevant. Nor is his misdemeanors such as his lying attacks on other socialists relevant. He was convicted for perjury. Like Aitken and Archer. These three men suffered an injustice. The idea that the courts are about truth is just a bourgeois fantasy and the conviction of these three men is ludicrous and hypocritical.
 
Despite that this is really about control - a function of the class struggle. There really is no equivalence here to be made.

Oh, I see, they were nice posh perjurers who were prosecuted having been caught lying in Libel actions as opposed to a prole scum perjurer who was caught lying in a libel action.

Nope - still don't see the difference.
 
Oh, I see, they were nice posh perjurers who were prosecuted having been caught lying in Libel actions as opposed to a prole scum perjurer who was caught lying in a libel action.

Nope - still don't see the difference.

Yes Cobbles exposing the hypocracy of someone like audiotech is like shooting fish in a barrel. Sure, you can do it. But how about adressing the pertinent question - what is your position on perjury? What about the everyday lies, falsifications, spin and half-truths that occur in civil and criminal courts across the country? Is that OK, whilst Sheridan languishes in jail?
 
Then we have Jonathan William Patrick Aitken. He was convicted of perjury in 1999 and received an 18-month prison sentence, of which he served seven months.

In 1970 Aitken was acquitted at the Old Bailey for breaching section 2 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 when he photocopied a report about the British government's supply of arms to Nigeria, and sent a copy to The Sunday Telegraph and to Hugh Fraser, a pro-Biafran Tory MP. As a result of the case he was dropped as a candidate for the Thirsk and Malton parliamentary constituency.
tbf, at the time of the ABC affair Aitken, then a journo, was a whistleblowing good guy, who demanded to be prosecuted, as I understand it, and leaked to expose the govt's - a tory govt, one I presume he voted for - hypocrisy over biafra
 
what is your position on perjury? What about the everyday lies, falsifications, spin and half-truths that occur in civil and criminal courts across the country? Is that OK, whilst Sheridan languishes in jail?

Anyone who gets caught lying whilst under oath/affirmation deserves jail time. It mattres not whether they're a sunbed socialist or a bent peer.
 
I should revise my position a bit - I didn't know about Barbara Scott, Rosie Kane and Carolyn Leckie going to the police with the EC meeting minutes.

This action should be condemned. It's grassing - there's no two ways about it. Of course I think the minutes should have been published long ago and should have been freely available to all including the police, but the SSP collaborated with Sheridan over keeping the minutes confidential and then they collaborated the police to keep the minutes away from the party and its supporters and in the hands of the state. Total disgrace. Also thoroughly stupid. There is no question that the perjury investigation would ever clear their names - it would only ever show that the police thought it was not in the public interest to prosecute them.

The only person who comes out of this smelling of roses is George McNeilage. No-one else took the fight to Sheridan. The SSP cringed before Sheridan and then hid behind the police and the courts.
 
Not yet. The real cancerous growth in the workers movement is not Sheridan but those who egged him on. Hopefully Solidarity will whither and die after this.


They are and were an opportunistic lash-up and will certainly wither and die just like the SSP. A new left will emerge in Scotland but not built on electoralism or the eclectic pluralism or the middle class socialism that has been dominant recently.
 
They are and were an opportunistic lash-up and will certainly wither and die just like the SSP. A new left will emerge in Scotland but not built on electoralism or the eclectic pluralism or the middle class socialism that has been dominant recently.

I can certainly agree with that - or I would if I shared your optimism. The SSP was always just too trendy for its own good - nationalism, animal rights, feminism, pacifism/ disarmament. I think it ended up with the working class as just one concern amongst many little fashionable single issue campaigns.
 
Yes. A socialist taking £200.000 from the News of the World. He smells of something but roses it aint.

That's a bit puritan of you. I can appreciate that its not exactly classy, but good luck to him, I'm glad he got paid for his excellent work and I hope spent his windfall and something nice.
 
They are and were an opportunistic lash-up and will certainly wither and die just like the SSP. A new left will emerge in Scotland but not built on electoralism or the eclectic pluralism or the middle class socialism that has been dominant recently.

I'm not sure i'd advise you to hold your breathe for that 'new left to emerge'. Solidarity is effectively finished, the SSP will carry on, tiny as it is. The next big 'farce' is Galloway possibly standing in Glasgow.... that will be an even funnier lash up than the one you mentioned above.
 
Mind you there's a big difference for Galloway in Glasgow than in Bethnal Green. They already know him in Glasgow. The Galloway lash up won't last long in Scotland.
 
Mind you there's a big difference for Galloway in Glasgow than in Bethnal Green. They already know him in Glasgow. The Galloway lash up won't last long in Scotland.

Well there was a chatty wee article in the Glasgow Herald yesterday about George Galloway -
Mr Galloway, who helped form anti-war party Respect Coalition after being expelled from the Labour Party over the invasion of Iraq, is to stand in Glasgow for the Scottish Parliament elections in May.

In an email to supporters this weekend, he promised a “momentous year”.

Last year he stepped down from the East London seat he snatched from Oona King in 2005 to unsuccessfully contest a neighbouring constituency.

Mr Galloway, 56, is understood to hope to capitalise on the collapse of Tommy Sheridan’s Scottish Socialist Party to sweep up a far-left vote. He says he needs 10,000 votes across Glasgow as a proportional list candidate to enter Holyrood.
 
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