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Sheridan perjury trial opens on Monday

DexterTCN said:
I've never said I thought TS was guilty or innocent, I merely said I did not care and that the best outcome was a sheridan victory, both times. I do not care about his guilt or innocence.
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Fedayn said:
...even funnier than your claims of a 'bigger picture', which you can't quite admit means it matters not what Sheridan, or an other did or does, so long as he/they win..... Classy....
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I think I've admitted it plain enough, often enough. Damaging newscorp was (ad nauseum) my preferred outcome. Admitted it in the post previous to yours, in fact, as I've quoted.

I think you'll find the bigger picture in the millie dowler thread.

And as I've also said, those wee socialists would be riding a wave just now instead of having their party and position drowned in a tsunami of public opinion which I also outlined in the previous threads. So I don't claim to be on an exalted plateau but I was saying this last year and at the time of the original trial.

Comparing the immorality of sheridan with that of murdoch's machinations is laughable, ridiculous.

I think it's your own tipping point that should be put under scrutiny after all the recent revelations. And you don't say much about the big picture, you avoid it and always fall back on the 'oooh tommy's a bad bastard' argument. What's that? We're miles apart on this.

If they'd stuck together they'd be rolling in gravy. They went your way and now they're toast.
 
DexterTCN said:
I think I've admitted it plain enough, often enough. Damaging newscorp was (ad nauseum) my preferred outcome. Admitted it in the post previous to yours, in fact, as I've quoted.

I think you'll find the bigger picture in the millie dowler thread.

And as I've also said, those wee socialists would be riding a wave just now instead of having their party and position drowned in a tsunami of public opinion which I also outlined in the previous threads. So I don't claim to be on an exalted plateau but I was saying this last year and at the time of the original trial.

Comparing the immorality of sheridan with that of murdoch's machinations is laughable, ridiculous.

I think it's your own tipping point that should be put under scrutiny after all the recent revelations. And you don't say much about the big picture, you avoid it and always fall back on the 'oooh tommy's a bad bastard' argument. What's that? We're miles apart on this.

If they'd stuck together they'd be rolling in gravy. They went your way and now they're toast.
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No you don't admit it, you make a nod to it. In other words you don't care what Sheridan, or AN Other had done as long as he won. That's a disgraceful position that leads to defending all sorts. Quite how far you'd go you still haven't said.....

I don't think there is any equivalence betweeh Sheridan and Murdoch, one is a lying prick the other is an utter anti-working class scumbag who shafted thousands at Wapping etc etc. No-one I know compares the two or says they are even close. And there's the point, for many, you included it was merely a case of Sheridan is attacked then support him cos the NotW is attacking him. What tyhey and you conveniently forget is that there's others here, people who are dragged to court, peoples whose lives are picked over, a party that had no say in being dragged into this charade. But you, like others, conveniently ignore this and simplistically talk about defending TS, as if it was such a binary opposition.

My tipping point is simple, as danny la rouge has oft pointed out. Don't expect your comrades to lie for you to defend your wholly manufactured image. Don't drag others into your own pathetic charades because you haven't got the sweets to own up to your behaviour. Don't sacrifice your own comrades just to save your own sorry lying arse. Don't shaft others just to stop your mummy and wife knowing the truth about you....

And in your final sentence not one scintilla of comment/regret about Sheridans decisions, was it such a good idea to go to court and do what he did? He went his way and now the left is toast....
 
Fedayn said:
No you don't admit it, you make a nod to it. In other words you don't care what Sheridan, or AN Other had done as long as he won. That's a disgraceful position that leads to defending all sorts. Quite how far you'd go you still haven't said.....
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Good stuff, Fed.

I'm not going to agree with you and I've been proven right, this was a political disaster for the left in Scotland and standing together and acting as a coherent, motivated, united, targeted party is WITHOUT ANY DOUBT the option they should have taken.

You cannot argue that point. Bereft of a point, you quote dannie who says pretty much the same as you...stuff that's fuck all to do with political parties and the opportunities they get. If a party does not seize an opportunity and make the most of it then they're no good to voters. Voters are not interested in a soap-opera. They don't mind actors as long as the actors are furthering the causes that the voters want furthered.

People are not interested. The voters crushed them.

So we're agreed. We're miles apart on this. We're even miles apart in our concepts of miles. You spell it morals, I spell it guile. We don't speak the same language.
 
DexterTCN said:
Good stuff, Fed.

I'm not going to agree with you and I've been proven right, this was a political disaster for the left in Scotland and standing together and acting as a coherent, motivated, united, targeted party is WITHOUT ANY DOUBT the option they should have taken.

You cannot argue that point. Bereft of a point, you quote dannie who says pretty much the same as you...stuff that's fuck all to do with political parties and the opportunities they get. If a party does not seize an opportunity and make the most of it then they're no good to voters. Voters are not interested in a soap-opera. They don't mind actors as long as the actors are furthering the causes that the voters want furthered.

People are not interested. The voters crushed them.

So we're agreed. We're miles apart on this. We're even miles apart in our concepts of miles. You spell it morals, I spell it guile. We don't speak the same language.
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Of course we're miles apart.... Isn't that the whole point? We disagree on the whys and wherefores?

How am I 'bereft of a point'? You ask a question I answer it simply as to where my tipping point is, not really difficult to see that's what I did.

I agree that the whole episode was/is a disaster though, a disaster predicted by those you decry. A disaster precipitated by the madness of a man taking the NotW to a defamation trial. I also agree that people who opposed Sheridan made mistakes and some did things I, like you, utterly oppose. I also agree that the voters passed a rather damning and justifiable verdict on the whole shebang, I don't blame them frankly. That's not some prediction you made in splendid isolation, plenty could see what was coming.
 
It wasn't a prediction, Fed, it was a shit way for the whole thing to end. Well it's not ended but that part of it is pretty much over unless they're daft enough to bring it back up during any upcoming coulson trial. (which I wouldn't put passed any of them tbh the daft bastards)

Because I'm unhappy with their actions on a political level does not mean I wish any bad on those involved. It's not a personal judgement. The use of the term soap-opera was meant in a tabloid sense not as a comment on those involved, I'm aware of the personal cost to some in this comedy/tragedy.
 
DexterTCN said:
It wasn't a prediction, Fed, it was a shit way for the whole thing to end. Well it's not ended but that part of it is pretty much over unless they're daft enough to bring it back up during any upcoming coulson trial. (which I wouldn't put passed any of them tbh the daft bastards)

Because I'm unhappy with their actions on a political level does not mean I wish any bad on those involved. It's not a personal judgement. The use of the term soap-opera was meant in a tabloid sense not as a comment on those involved, I'm aware of the personal cost to some in this comedy/tragedy.
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Fair points.
 
Streathamite said:
get me up to speed folks - is sheridan now appealing, on grounds of all the NOTW testimony now being unsafe?
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His leave to appeal was refused a few weeks ago, it then went to a second hearing, the results of which are yet to be known. How the new information affects that is anyone's guess.
 
Sheridan out for Christmas and ready to do what he can for Scottish independence. He appears to have been picking up a decent amount of working class support recently.
 
Really? Awesome. Fast Tan West is becoming a shade of yellow. heh

Working class opinion is a many varied thing tough.
 
Fun fact: Sheridan was in the open prison right beside my mums house. I never saw him there though.
 
tar1984 said:
Fun fact: Sheridan was in the open prison right beside my mums house. I never saw him there though.
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He wasn't there much. Apparently, there's some swingers' bar nearby and, taking advantage of the openness of the prison, he spent most of his time there, swinging.
 
laptop said:
So: will Coulson's trouble affect Sheridan's conviction or not?
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No. It will have an exponential effect on public opinion but it has no effect on the verdict in the trial and he would be a fool to play it that way.

In a short while the fact that Coulson's evidence played a part in his conviction will imply so much more than a reversal of the decision could infer.

The same will (does) go for those who took money from Coulson's ilk.
 
JHE said:
He wasn't there much. Apparently, there's some swingers' bar nearby and, taking advantage of the openness of the prison, he spent most of his time there, swinging.
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I'm not sure if you're joking but there is no swingers bar there, there is nothing much at all there it's in the countryside. You can't just walk in and out so easily you could spend loads of time out of the prison too, unless you were on day release (some prisoners go to work placements and college in the day).
 
DexterTCN said:
In a short while the fact that Coulson's evidence played a part in his conviction will imply so much more than a reversal of the decision could infer.
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If Coulsons evidence played a part in his conviction then he was a bigget twat than I thought - he called him as a witness.
 
I wasn't expecting any de-polarisation of views. The legal variations on current developments are certainly worth discussing but the "he's a twat" and "you're a cunt" posters don't seem to have much to contribute.

The investigation just now has opened on perjury, corruption of officers, phone hacking and 'data protection' offences which could be a pretty wide net in itself. It will certainly include the connection between different govt agencies (dvla, cps?, police at least) and notw. The allegation that dvla sold info could connect notw to the bugging device found in sheridan's car although in comparison to perjury I'm not sure it's worth committing too many resources to its follow-up.

Then again it's going to be a lengthy investigation so who knows how it will branch out as it goes along.

Coulson was working for Cameron at the time of the alleged perjury. Any conviction will be crushing for the current PM.
 
Talk here with: Gregor Gall (author of 'Tommy Sheridan: from hero to zero?') and Sarah McDonald (CPGB), who during her speech refers to Sheridan amusingly as: "Tam of Pollock".
 
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