Russia mobilises - consequences and reactions

[WhyLikeThis]

There’s some serious Tory power stances going on here

 

[two sheds]

you put your left foot in ...

 

[Raheem]

you put your left foot in ...

...you carry on walking as if you haven't just stood in shit...

 

[existentialist]

Bah, really should stick him back on ignore. RD I mean, not Putin. If only.

Thing is, even when you can't see the pile of sick, it still makes the room smell...

 

[existentialist]

This is the thing about internet forums (or even just talking to people.) It isn't what you say, but what people want you to say.

Not once have I said that Ukraine belongs to Russia. It's far from what I'm saying in these last few posts. Not that it would be 'my problem' if I did; it would just be me saying something, and presumably happy enough about it.

Ukraine said only today that it understands that it couldn't have joined NATO nine months ago.

Is the solution for any country that feels under threat anywhere to join NATO?

No, you have been very careful not to be that specific. Even though, for anyone with the stomach to look at a reasonable spread of your posts, it is clear that your agenda is about excusing Russia's invasion of a sovereign nation. It's all - admittedly, quite subtle - whataboutery. Puddle of sick.

 

[SpookyFrank]

There’s some serious Tory power stances going on here
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Take That have let themselves go.

 

[existentialist]

There’s some serious Tory power stances going on here
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Dead men walking, was the first thing I thought when I saw that shower lined up on the stage.

They're not going to look quite so "power stance" when they're hanging half out of a burning car...

 

[Yossarian]

There’s some serious Tory power stances going on here
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"Zombie Mike Pence is now under my control and we will make him the next president of America," Putin boasted.

 

[RD2003]

No, you have been very careful not to be that specific. Even though, for anyone with the stomach to look at a reasonable spread of your posts, it is clear that your agenda is about excusing Russia's invasion of a sovereign nation. It's all - admittedly, quite subtle - whataboutery. Puddle of sick.

Agenda? Fucking hell.

 

[RD2003]

Thing is, even when you can't see the pile of sick, it still makes the room smell...

You seem to have sick on your mind this morning. Hangover?

 

[TopCat]

You don't tow the line. Dissent of any kind makes people here feel uncomfortable. It's remarkable given the propaganda that abounds all around.

 

[strung out]

You don't tow the line. Dissent of any kind makes people here feel uncomfortable. It's remarkable given the propaganda that abounds all around.

Wow, you've really nailed it. Well done.

 

[Rob Ray]

Wait, do people arguing unpopular positions where they're in a tiny minority sometimes feel a bit mobbed? Holy shit Urban must be unique in this phenomenon, which has never happened on any other message board or indeed in any other public space! Oh the humanity!

C'mon man.

 

[strung out]

Or maybe he's just a boring prick with nothing of relevance to say.

 

[two sheds]

You don't tow the line. Dissent of any kind makes people here feel uncomfortable. It's remarkable given the propaganda that abounds all around.

Interested in what you feel about the question that he repeatedly refuses to answer: there's no way Putin would have negotiated in good faith, so what should the west have done then? Arm Ukraine or not?

 

[Yossarian]

Talk shit, get told you're talking shit by more than one person - "Oh no, the dreaded monothought clique strikes again!"

 

[RD2003]

Or maybe he's just a boring prick with nothing of relevance to say.

A boring prick who, if he called somebody else a boring prick, would find the editor on his tail, frowning sternly.

 

[mojo pixy]

You don't tow the line. Dissent of any kind makes people here feel uncomfortable. It's remarkable given the propaganda that abounds all around.

There's no 'line', and no 'dissent'. One poster in particular keeps posting repetitive drivel they will not back up with anything except crap about how nobody don't know nothing, it's tedious and insulting and it's getting people's backs up.

There are plenty here that wish for peace, but most of us recognize that all (or at least 99%) of the decisions on that matter are in the hands of a small group of powerful Russians in the Kremlin.

The question at this point is, how can this be ended with the least amount of suffering and bloodshed? If anyone, anyone has a decent answer to that it would honestly be most welcome IMO ... but the constant drip of 'told you so' bullshit and 'sacrifice Ukrainian lives for the greater good' just ignores:
a. Ukrainian agency
b. any lessons we might learn from history
c. that fucking pro-war monstrosity yesterday
d. Putin's already history of murdering anyone and everyone he doesn't like

I have no answers, I wish I did, but calling everyone know-nothings and hinting at a monothought clique just for disagreeing with insight-free shit flinging is just .. lame. It deserves whatever response it gets.

 

[RD2003]

You don't tow the line. Dissent of any kind makes people here feel uncomfortable. It's remarkable given the propaganda that abounds all around.

Incredible really, when you consider that the war foamers can get what they want to hear in 90% of posts on here, and in the entire western media.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Talk shit, get told you're talking shit by more than one person - "Oh no, the dreaded monothought clique strikes again!"

"Imperialism bad which is why Ukraine should have negotiated with Russia in good faith"

 

[keybored]

It deserves whatever response it gets.

None, ideally.

 

[RD2003]

For on

There's no 'line', and no 'dissent'. One poster in particular keeps posting repetitive drivel they will not back up with anything except crap about how nobody don't know nothing, it's tedious and insulting and it's getting people's backs up.

There are plenty here that wish for peace, but most of us recognize that all (or at least 99%) of the decisions on that matter are in the hands of a small group of powerful Russians in the Kremlin.

The question at this point is, how can this be ended with the least amount of suffering and bloodshed? If anyone, anyone has a decent answer to that it would honestly be most welcome IMO ... but the constant drip of 'told you so' bullshit and 'sacrifice Ukrainian lives for the greater good' just ignores:
a. Ukrainian agency
b. any lessons we might learn from history
c. that fucking pro-war monstrosity yesterday
d. Putin's already history of murdering anyone and everyone he doesn't like

I have no answers, I wish I did, but calling everyone know-nothings and hinting at a monothought clique just for disagreeing with insight-free shit flinging is just .. lame. It deserves whatever response it gets.

Yeah, yeah. For one thing, I have repeated endlessly that 'we' have learned nothing from history. If 'we' had, this war would not be happening.

 

[mojo pixy]

For on

Yeah, yeah. For one thing, I have repeated endlessly that 'we' have learned nothing from history. If 'we' had, this war would not be happening.

I don't care

 

[RD2003]

I don't care

I don't care that you don't care. So there.

 

[TopCat]

Interested in what you feel about the question that he repeatedly refuses to answer: there's no way Putin would have negotiated in good faith, so what should the west have done then? Arm Ukraine or not?

Why do you assume no good faith negotiations possible?

 

[TopCat]

The negotiations over getting grain ships out worked for instance.

 

[frogwoman]

Western companies in Russia now have to help Kremlin with war mobilisation

A new law passed by the government means that Western companies still in Russia must help conscript their employees.

www.investmentmonitor.ai

 

[two sheds]

Why do you assume no good faith negotiations possible?

The grain shipments didn't have Putin giving up territory. He's shown he'd refuse to do that by annexing them - irreversibly.

How could Ukraine give up their territory as part of the negotiations? Putin would clearly then just occupy those bits and do his preparations to take over the rest.

 

[mojo pixy]

I don't care that you don't care. So there.

Not enough to not post a response, sure. What you do care about is having the last word, you're welcome to it.

 

[TopCat]

Putin would clearly then just occupy those bits and do his preparations to take over the rest.

Is there certainty about this? Why?