Rochester & Strood by-election

[Lo Siento.]

me making assumptions about people who drape their houses in england flags outside of world cup times has probably kept me out of aggro situations. ignoring my instincts on this has got me into aggro situations once or twice.

I can see a hell of a lot of potentially dodgy applications of that particular logic.

agrees would be bad news politically for an mp to make such assumptions, tho the assumptions have all been inferred from a single photo rather than from her actually saying anything.

You don't need to say anything to be tapping into an existing stereotype, do you?

 

[Lo Siento.]

Butchersapron is desperately attempting to defend Miliband's absurd stance because his stupid panicked reaction to a tweet is "proof" of a myth that it is useful for the far right and workerist ultra-left to peddle.

Well, what goes through my mind is that you respect...respect is the basic rule of politics

Which bit do you disagree with? Should you disrespect people you know nothing about bar a flag, a house and a van?

 

[articul8]

There is nothing about a van and a flag that deserves respect automatically. There is no need for Labour to superficially embrace markers of a tabloid version of w/c identity. Miliband is displacing his own failure to bring forward pro w/c policies onto the scapegoats of populist right wing withchunts.

 

[rutabowa]

I can see a hell of a lot of potentially dodgy applications of that particular logic.

like what? hanging england flags all over your house outside of world cup etc is making a big statement; i am simply taking notice of that statement.

 

[J Ed]

There is nothing about a van and a flag that deserves respect automatically. There is no need for Labour to superficially embrace markers of a tabloid version of w/c identity. Miliband is displacing his own failure to bring forward pro w/c policies onto the scapegoats of populist right wing withchunts.

Shouldn't the Labour Left be rallying to defend Eddie while his right flank is under attack rather than opening up an attack on his left flank?

 

[Lo Siento.]

There is nothing about a van and a flag that deserves respect automatically. There is no need for Labour to superficially embrace markers of a tabloid version of w/c identity. Miliband is displacing his own failure to bring forward pro w/c policies onto the scapegoats of populist right wing withchunts.

Everyone should be respected until you've a reason not to, shouldn't they?

 

[Lo Siento.]

like what?

From the idea that you can use stereotypes to better navigate the problems that the world presents? It's pretty much the basis for virtually all prejudicial behaviour.

 

[rutabowa]

From the idea that you can use stereotypes to better navigate the problems that the world presents? It's pretty much the basis for virtually all prejudicial behaviour.

its not a stereotype; it is reacting to someone making a public statement.

would you say i was stereotyping if i avoided people with a swastika tattoo?

 

[articul8]

Shouldn't the Labour Left be rallying to defend Eddie while his right flank is under attack rather than opening up an attack on his left flank?

He is not helping himself - he needs to be on the front foot attacking the coalition, not apologising whenever Labour is attacked

 

[Brechin Sprout]

I was brought up in Strood. Brothers, cousins etc still live there. In "social housing" in the main. If you were to ask me to choose one photo to sum up the constituency of Rochester and Strood, it wouldn't be the castle, the cathedral or Rochester's twee high street: it would be a photo of the vast sprawl of Strood on the other side of the river - housing estate after housing estate. Just like the one posted. That's what it's like.

 

[articul8]

Everyone should be respected until you've a reason not to, shouldn't they?

Judgement should be reserved whilst evidence is awaited

 

[Lo Siento.]

Judgement should be reserved whilst evidence is awaited

That's an element of treating people with respect, isn't it? Do you think Thornberry tweet awaited evidence before judgement?

 

[chilango]

Butchersapron is desperately attempting to defend Miliband's absurd stance because his stupid panicked reaction to a tweet is "proof" of a myth that it is useful for the far right and workerist ultra-left to peddle.

Nice lumping together of the far right and ultra-left. Classy.

 

[Lo Siento.]

its not a stereotype; it is reacting to someone making a public statement.

would you say i was stereotyping if i avoided people with a swastika tattoo?

You're taking one ambiguous outward feature of someone and allying it to expectations of various other behaviours. That's a stereotype.

The act of flying a swastika from your house is in itself objectionable. It doesn't require you to make assumptions about the person flying it for it to be wrong.

 

[articul8]

That's an element of treating people with respect, isn't it? Do you think Thornberry tweet awaited evidence before judgement?

She wasn't making a judgement of an individual but capturing an image that enapulated something of the mood on that day.

 

[Pickman's model]

She wasn't making a judgement of an individual but capturing an image that enapulated something of the mood on that day.

and that something was ...

and of course she was making 'a judgement of an individual' unless you're suggesting she is in fact a team.

 

[articul8]

She was saying that the by election was about the contest over who could best appeal to white van man flying the flag etc... She said nothing more

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

There is nothing about a van and a flag that deserves respect automatically.

There is nothing about a van and a flag that removes respect automatically, you fucking donut

 

[stethoscope]

She wasn't making a judgement of an individual but capturing an image that enapulated something of the mood on that day.

Thornberry could have used many images, or even attacked UKIP. Instead she chose to use a picture of someones house (someone with a van and England and West Ham flags - the audacity of it!). And how does that not feel like a judgement and an attack against the individual?

 

[articul8]

Zapp- Ive never said otherwise, prick

 

[butchersapron]

She wasn't making a judgement of an individual but capturing an image that enapulated something of the mood on that day.

No shes wasn't. Even she didn't offer this dishonest spin. You sad sad hack.

 

[articul8]

No shes wasn't. Even she didn't offer this dishonest spin. You sad sad hack.

Image of #rochester - of course she was

 

[butchersapron]

Image of #rochester - of course she was

That's why her defence consisted of saying she was astonished at and has never seen any such thing as a house with flags in the windows. Not your guff.

And how exactly does saying Image of #rochester on an Image of rochester mean any of the crap you've come up with? This is quite quite tragic.

 

[articul8]

The idea flag waving van drivers are fully representative of the class seems to be shared only by you, Ukip and the right wing tabloids

 

[stethoscope]

That's why her defence consisted of saying she was astonished at and has never seen any such thing as a house with flags in the windows.

What sort of bubble do MPs like Thornberry live in to come out with this sort of stuff?!

 

[Pickman's model]

Image of #rochester - of course she was

you're making a # of this

 

[butchersapron]

The idea flag waving van drivers are fully representative of the class seems to be shared only by you, Ukip and the right wing tabloids

I told you it would get worse as the night got older people..plenty left yet i suspect.

 

[articul8]

I told you it would get worse as the night got older people..plenty left yet i suspect.

Miliband needs to stop trying to flatter a tabloid image of the working class and start trying to put forward policies which would really strike an echo with the experience of working class people. Not the same at all

 

[eatmorecheese]

This has to be one of the slowest car crashes I've ever seen.

 

[redsquirrel]

and it's bewildering that many people on the left can't see the connections between these policies and the attitudes behind them and this episode.

On this thread the only people who can't see it seem to be articul8, Taffbhoy and Awesome Wells (and maybe SakiaJayne). So maybe the LP could get Taffbhoy to organise it's social media policy.

The idea flag waving van drivers are fully representative of the class seems to be shared only by you, Ukip and the right wing tabloids

You fucking dick. You know that this is wrong as well as being a pathetic attempt to slur people you know are left wingers. This post shows why so many P&P posters hold you in contempt these days.