You appear to be suggesting that there are those within the Labour party at high level who want more left wing policies & they are being blocked by Miliband & Balls etc or is there real division over this at top level? Whatever, Labour need to start spelling out policies now.
I used to have a neighbour who was a car dealer, he'd regularly have 10-15 cars for sale parked along the road. Didn't bother me as I don't drive but the rest of the street would be going bloody nuts
Can you really not decode what he said? The basic message of respect peoples interests/fears/etc until they prove to themselves to be knobs - don't start by writing them off. He wasn't saying respect the van or respect the flag ffs - he was saying start off respecting that person and this thornberry had not.
Well cheers for explaining that ba, most potential Labour voters, myself included would might just think it was rather odd to say that they respect a white tranny. Which leads neatly back to what I metioned earlier about good speech making. If a politician wants to explain policies or anything else, they need to do it clearly & not expect people to 'decode' anything.
He specifically said, I see a white van, I think "respect". You are leaping to his defence becausd/ even though he has fucked up and given credence to the idea that Labour has a problem with class snobbery. We don't, we have an intolerance of parties appealing to the racism of an element of the white working class. Or some of us - like Thornberry do. Others like Milibands mate Glassman want to play up to it.
other racism presumably ok
i am pleased to hear it.
You'll link to this specific quote then won't you. No you won't because it didn't happen. He was asked
The point was this was obviously bollocks, Ed no more thinks that than anybody else, it was a stupid thing to say because nobody sees a white van & thinks 'I respect that icon of the British w/c'. The term 'white van man' was coined as a derogatory term due to the often inconsiderate driving of some van drivers iirc, it has nothing to do with w/c values. Fact is, a white van is just that, nobody sees it as representing anything, they just swear when they get cut up by one. Ed simply is not sharp, he is not good at delivering off the cuff oneliners & this was nearly as bad as Thornberry's tweet because it just compounds how out of touch they are in their politically elite bubble.
thats fine, whats the relevance?
Is dealing in stereotypes ever a productive way of thinking? I've hung an England flag from my window, I've driven a van for a living, I've lived in a terraced house in a provincial town.
me making assumptions about people who drape their houses in england flags outside of world cup times has probably kept me out of aggro situations. ignoring my instincts on this has got me into aggro situations once or twice.
He's only going to get worse as the night gets older folks...keep digging though articul8 - enjoying it.
