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Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed

A culture that tends to divide women into the "respectable" (covered up, never allowed out on their own, treated as basically the "property" of their families), and then the opposite ("dress like whores", out on their own, drinking, etc) can't help but encourage a fairly nasty attitude to the latter, can it? I'm not in any way trying to justify what these men did.

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The point is that the cultural norms about women that these men imbibed played a role. Of course that is true of other cultures. But refusing to see the role culture played in this case is being wilfully dishonest. And that can play into some very dangerous hands.

So would you say that the cultural norms of Catholicism towards children played a role in the acts of Catholic priests abusing kids? Is there also something about Catholicism that encourages paedophilia?
 
So would you say that the cultural norms of Catholicism towards children played a role in the acts of Catholic priests abusing kids? Is there also something about Catholicism that encourages paedophilia?
In that particular case, there is the massive problem of enforced celibacy. Suppress basic urges and they don't go away, but have a tendency to spill out sideways. Men who have been suppressing their sexual urges who spend a lot of time working with children... hmmm
 
In that particular case, there is the massive problem of enforced celibacy. Suppress basic urges and they don't go away, but have a tendency to spill out sideways.

And then put them in a situation where they have the power and the opportunity to abuse kids and out it comes. But a lot of these abusers in this case were married. Surely they could have just gone to prostitutes to get their extra marital kicks. Why pick on kids?
 
and what do we do with paedophiles?

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That's dodging the issue, though.

Why do they shag children? Because they're paedophiles. How can you tell that they're paedophiles? They shag children.

Doesn't actually tell you anything.

It's like asking, how do you become a murderer. Loads of potential murderers just get off on watching extreme violence.
 
I don't have any good answers here, btw, other than that trying to work out why these men did this thing has to involve looking at the culture they were formed in. And of course that doesn't just apply to this case or this culture.
 
we are all potential murderers. you're not saying anything worth hearing here. but then that's nothing new.
I think most of us are potential murderers, tbh, given the right circumstances. I don't however think that most of us are potential rapists or paedophiles. So that comes back to the question - how did these men become what they are?
 
You're not. A potential victim certainly.
you should do something about your verbal diarrhoea because you're spouting shit at an ever-increasing rate.

we're all fucking potential murder victims, again you're not saying anything that isn't bleeding obvious.

like so many other posters, you could try engaging your brain before posting, it would make a pleasant change to see some posts from you which have a bit of thought behind them.
 
The fact that they're paedophiles has fuck all to do with race, ethnicity or religion but the fat that ...



.... very definitely is a cultural thing.
In what sense are they paedophiles, anyway? Weren't these girls post-pubescent? They might be legally paedophiles if the girls are under the age of consent, but that's a very different thing, imo, from being someone who is attracted to prepubescent children.
 
In what sense are they paedophiles, anyway? Weren't these girls post-pubescent? They might be legally paedophiles if the girls are under the age of consent, but that's a very different thing, imo, from being someone who is attracted to prepubescent children.
more hebephiles than paedophiles, i'd say. but a rape gang's a rape gang in anyone's books.
 
Danny, I'm not seeking to dismiss the specific cultural background of those involved in the Rochdale case. I don't think we disagree much so far as I can tell. What I'm saying though is that what differentiates this instance of grooming from other types of group predatory sexual behaviour by men isn't necessarily more important than what they share in common.
 
I don't have any good answers here, btw, other than that trying to work out why these men did this thing has to involve looking at the culture they were formed in. And of course that doesn't just apply to this case or this culture.

Yep, my stuff was just thinking aloud. I know fuck all about these men and their lives. Or the millions of other paedos out there. And their victims. Sad stuff.
 
Is there also something about Catholicism that encourages paedophilia?
Yes, there is. I could leave it at that. But, briefly: in the Church's view of children (and women), and in the specific circumstances of priesthood, and the availability of children (whether that's altar boys, or - historically - orphans, or - historically - the removed children of disgraced single mothers) to the minority in positions of power and trust who then abuse that power and trust. We can do this in more detail in another thread, and indeed we have done. And it has been the subject of studies, memoirs, literature, and so on. It needed to be. The specific cultural circumstances needed to be discussed. And still does, until it is properly addressed.

As does this.
 
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