Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency

[existentialist]

Very witty.

Word to the wise: you'd do well to just watch and learn on this kind of thread for a while, and share your opinions sparingly. They may be novel and unique to you, but they've been around the block many times on threads like this, and won't be particularly welcome...as you're probably beginning to see. There is plenty to learn.

 

[mojo pixy]

If we wish to combat misogyny, then it might help in a small way if we refrained from

Spoiler

using the words “cunt” and “fuck” as swear words in our posts on the web, and in our social interactions.

I am old enough to remember when people would be rightly condemned for using the term “cunt” as a term of abuse. For those who don’t know why it is misogynistic, then I will tell the unpleasant original meaning of it as a term of abuse in the following paragraph.

The vagina is not always ready to be penetrated by the penis. From the misogynist point of view, the vagina is capricious. It does not comply when the misogynist male thinks that it should. It appears to be unpredictably uncooperative. Someone who behaves like the vagina is a therefore behaving like a cunt, is indeed a cunt.

The worst thing that someone can be is to be like the vagina. If that usage is not misogynistic, then nothing is.

Fuck. If we say, for example, “Fuck the Tories”, then what are we saying? That the nastiest thing that can be “done” to the Tories is to fuck them? Would we say “Rape the Tories”?

If we say “I don’t give a fuck”, we are saying that sexual intercourse is something of no consequence, perhaps even a nasty thing. Compare it to “I don’t give shit”.

Defecating is, of course, a necessary bodily function, but shit is an unpleasant thing, and therefore worthless to us, and if we don’t even give a shit, then we care very little indeed.

Is a fuck

something of no consequence to us?

Fuck off PTK

Very witty.

Can it at least go in a spoiler?

 

[PTK]

Word to the wise: you'd do well to just watch and learn on this kind of thread for a while, and share your opinions sparingly. They may be novel and unique to you, but they've been around the block many times on threads like this, and won't be particularly welcome...as you're probably beginning to see. There is plenty to learn.

I was prompted to write my post by something I saw on another thread, and I thought that this might be the appropriate thread on which to post my thoughts on this, but perhaps not.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Very witty.

Look, I'm sorry, OK. But this is a thread where women are expressing their horror and despair about the way  some men treat us, and how long and often this shit happens. So I don't appreciate you coming here and explaining to us about the word Cunt.

Read the room.

 

[polly]

It's a derail but I think considering the word cunt the ultimate swear word and most offensive thing we can say is misogynistic, not the use of the word itself. Why should a word that means vagina be so much more offensive than prick or dick? It's fear of our sexuality.

Sorry if this is what they say in the podcast, I didn't listen.

 

[existentialist]

It's a derail but I think considering the word cunt the ultimate swear word and most offensive thing we can say is misogynistic, not the use of the word itself. Why should a word that means vagina be so much more offensive than prick or dick? It's fear of our sexuality.

Sorry if this is what they say in the podcast, I didn't listen.

It's one of quite a lot of things they say in the podcast. I found it both entertaining and illuminating.

 

[polly]

It's one of quite a lot of things they say in the podcast. I found it both entertaining and illuminating.

I will listen! It's a soapbox of mine.

 

[trashpony]

A story in screenshots

 

[Lotte]

Yeah, but they're not trans, so it's OK. Starmer's only concerned about violence against women and girls when trans people do it.

 

[GarveyLives]

Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales, police say

National Police Chiefs’ Council analysis reveals 2m women a year estimated to be victims of male violence

www.theguardian.com

2 million women a year are victims of male violence.

This does not appear to be part of the "national emergency" that the police have identified as it did not occur in England and Wales - a police officer, PC David Jones, sexually assaulted four different women - a firefighter, a swimming instructor, her sister, and a paramedic student - on the night that he was hailed a hero at the Scottish First Aid awards at Glasgow's Radisson Blu hotel in March 2023:

(Source: as stated in image)

PC David Jones, who was found guilty of sexual assault following a trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court​

Police officer assaulted four women at bravery awards ceremony

 

[belboid]

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As part of preparations for possible early releases, the local probation service approached the DA team at the council to check whether any prospective early releasees were known perpetrators. Which is great. Except they only sent round surnames and prison numbers, so it was actually completely pointless.

 

[GarveyLives]

Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales, police say

National Police Chiefs’ Council analysis reveals 2m women a year estimated to be victims of male violence

www.theguardian.com

Examples of the "national emergency" identified by the police in England and Wales:

"More than 1,100 police officers across England and Wales are under investigation for sexual or domestic abuse, prompting fresh calls for vetting and misconduct procedures to be radically overhauled.

Of these, 180 – almost one in seven – have been allowed to carry on working as normal despite the severity of the offences. Of the 1,151 officers under investigation, 428 have been placed on restricted duties, with another 378 suspended ..."

More than 1,100 officers under investigation for sexual or domestic abuse in England and Wales

"A police officer was moved departments to work with domestic violence victims despite being under criminal investigation for a “cruel” four-year campaign of abuse against her partner, The Independent can reveal ..."

Police officer moved to work with domestic violence victims despite probe into abusing partner (Presumably the same mentality, and therefore approach, would have been taken had the suspect had been a man)

"Two former police officers who made “cruel, shocking and offensive” comments about a domestic abuse victim and fellow colleagues have been found guilty of gross misconduct.

Constables Terrence Flanagan and Iwan Williams were caught on bodyworn camera footage in an “unacceptable” conversation while on-duty with North Wales Police ..."

Police officers made ‘shocking and offensive’ comments about domestic abuse victim

"The number of Met Police officers arrested for domestic abuse rose to a record high in 2023, new data reveals ..."

Metropolitan Police officers arrested for domestic abuse hits record high

 

[GarveyLives]

(Source: as stated in image)​

This is The Late Barbara Nomakhosi, a Carer, who was found dead with multiple wounds at an address on Walnut Avenue, Bury, at around 10.30 p.m. on Friday night (6 September 2024). Barbara is believed to have died earlier that evening.

Greater Manchester Police identified a suspect following Barbara's death and believe that he subsequently died after being hit by a lorry on the M65 Eastbound at approximately 9.00 p.m. that same evening, The man, who was in his forties, was pronounced dead at the scene. Greater Manchester Police are not looking for anyone else in connection with Barbara’s death.

A spokesperson for her family said:

‘Barbara was a caring and hard-working person.

‘She was so thoughtful and always checking up on her family and friends.

‘Barbara loved her family and enjoyed working as a carer. We loved Barbara so much and life will not be the same without her.’

Detective Chief Inspector Mark Davis of Greater Manchester Police said: ‘I know just how much Barbara’s family will miss her and I hope that the memories of her can provide comfort as they begin to come to terms with this heart-breaking loss.

‘This is a complex investigation which is very much ongoing and we remain in contact with colleagues in Lancashire as they progress their own investigation into the circumstances of the fatal collision.’

Greater Manchester Police are urging anyone with information they think could be helpful to contact officers via calling 101 or through www.gmp.police.uk, quoting log 4106 of 06/09/24.

Anyone with footage or information about the fatal traffic collision should contact Lancashire Police quoting log 1512 of September 6.

Alternatively, you can contact the independent charity Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.

 

[bluescreen]

I dunno, this probably belongs here.

Almost half of doctors sexually harassed by patients, research finds

The global review found more than half of female doctors (52%) were affected, 34% of male doctors and 45% overall

www.theguardian.com

(It's another issue that some male doctors - no, I won't bore you.)

 

[Epona]

What the actual fuck....and yesterday a 14 year old killed an 80 year old man.....due to my recent medical situation i have to use a stick to walk (not that i can go far) but the sudden realisation of how vunerable i now am is scary...

(((((weepiper))))

Unfortunately, it has always been thus for people with mobility issues or who appear to have a disability, especially women, are vulnerable to hate crimes.
My mobility issues actually used to be a lot worse than they are now, because as well as arthritis in some of my joints, I also badly tore a ligament in my back when I was in my mid 20s and it took several years to heal and I could barely walk for some of that time, and for the rest of it until it healed with pain and obvious difficulty (it still gives me issues from time to time but not as constant).
During that time, I was seriously physically assaulted on 2 occasions (one time being pushed over by a couple of city suits in Liverpool Street station, and another time being strangled and repeatedly punched by a driver because I wasn't making my way across a pedestrian crossing quickly enough), and experienced minor physical assaults and verbal altercations on many many occasions.
The reason I mention it on this thread, is because my husband now has obvious mobility issues, and doesn't experience anything like the level of abuse that I did when my gait appeared similar to how his is now.
It's an additional reason for hateful arsewipes to justify abuse towards women, and a lot because it's seen as less likely to be able to fight back.

Oh god I also remember attending court with a friend who was a wheelchair user to support her after she'd been physically assaulted by her husband because he didn't want to help her out of the bath at the time she'd called to him to come and help or somesuch, the bruises and contusions she suffered were awful.

 

[story]

A reminder (to men) to check in on the Everyday Sexism website. You’ll see a huge number and vast range of bullshit that women have to deal with. Some of it is “minor” but make no mistake: these minor incidents uphold and support the more extreme stuff.

Women, it’s a place to log the bullshit that you have to endure. It’s anonymous and free. No log in.

I’m going to put it on the silencing women thread too. Because it’s a place where women can log incidents they may not tell anyone else.

Everyday Sexism Project

 

[GarveyLives]

(Source: as stated in image)

This is The Late Joanne Tulip, who was raped, murdered and stabbed 60 times in Stamfordham, Northumberland on Christmas Day 1997.

(Source: as stated in image)​

This is Stephen Ling, who pleaded guilty to the murder of Joanne Tulip and also admitted raping Joanne, but that offence (i.e. Rape) was allowed to lie on file by the trial judge because the murder was the more serious charge. It means that Stephen Ling will not be on the Sex Offenders Register when he is freed because he was not convicted of rape. Sentencing him to life at Newcastle Crown Court, Mr Justice Potts told Stephen Ling:

“You inflicted appalling injuries on (Ms Tulip) while you were having sexual relations with her.

“I’m also satisfied that there was in your motivation an aspiration of sadism.”

He added: “You will never be released so long as it is thought you constitute a danger to women.”

Stephen Ling carved crosses and swastikas on Joanne before and after her death, before attempting to set fire to her body.

Stephen Ling was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 20 years which was reduced to 18 years on appeal.

Earlier today, Stephen Ling was recommended for release following his fifth parole hearing. In its published decision, the Parole Board panel said:

“The panel was satisfied that imprisonment was no longer necessary for the protection of the public.”

Stephen Ling's release was subject to conditions, which include informing the authorities of any relationships he might develop; being subject to monitoring and a curfew and staying out of an exclusion zone to avoid contact with his victim’s family.

Man who stabbed woman 60 times cleared for release

 

[Elpenor]

The trial of the person who tried to murder my best mates sister-in-law began today.

Jilted Bath teacher launched 'frenzied' attack on former partner

Matthew Jones would not accept Emma Kirk did not want to see him again, a trial is told.

www.bbc.co.uk

How can he deny attempted murder when you read what is in the link. I hope the jury are not taken in.

Unfortunately it has turned out to be a hung verdict by the jury for attempted murder. Not sure what happens next yet. It will be a retrial most likely or they may go for GBH - which he has pled guilty too

If stabbing someone 15 times isn’t attempted murder what the fuck is

 

[Sue]

This. Ffs.

If stabbing someone 15 times isn’t attempted murder what the fuck is

Really hope they do retry him, though obviously that'll be additional stress for the woman attacked. GBH just doesn't feel enough for such a terrible attack. Wtf were the jury thinking?

 

[Elpenor]

This. Ffs.

Really hope they do retry him, though obviously that'll be additional stress for the woman attacked. GBH just doesn't feel enough for such a terrible attack. Wtf were the jury thinking?

I don’t know much about jury trials or law but I think the “i didn’t bring the knife” defence must have persuaded enough jurors. And bringing the knife = premeditation = attempted murder. I don’t know what the jury heard in court but I know what I read in the media and I agree, GBH is not enough

 

[GarveyLives]

"A paedophile raped a woman in front of passing motorists on a busy road in an "utterly degrading" attack.

Matthew Pugh, 40, was said to be "excited" at the prospect of raping the woman last year in an assault the judge described as "disturbing"..."

(Source: WalesOnline/Media Wales)​

"At the time of the offence Pugh was on bail after he was found in possession of 17 indecent images of children ..."

Paedophile raped woman on the side of busy road in front of passing drivers (Note: Contains descriptions of Matthew Pugh's crimes)

 

[story]

We live in a world where “the rape was an act of devotion” is considered a legitimate defence strategy.

Stabbing someone 15 times with a knife he didn’t carry with him is “clearly” a situation where he was “provoked” into locating the knife… so his frenzied attack must have been “provoked”.

 

[GarveyLives]

Cher Maximen, 32, who was stabbed when she tried to break up a fight at Carnival which she was at with her 3 year old daughter, has died of her injuries.

... as a consequence, Shakiel Thibou appeared before the Old Bailey yesterday charged with Cher Maximen's murder, the attempted murder of another person, possessing a knife and violent disorder. His brothers, Sheldon Thibou and Shaeim Thibou, are accused of violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker, while Sheldon Thibou is also charged with possessing a stun gun. All three Thibou brothers were remanded in custody until a plea hearing on 28 November 2024, with a trial, estimated to last four weeks, set for 24 February 2025.

Remember her name

(Source: Facebook)

The Late Cher Maximen​

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

(Source: as stated in image)

This is The Late Joanne Tulip, who was raped, murdered and stabbed 60 times in Stamfordham, Northumberland on Christmas Day 1997.

(Source: as stated in image)​

This is Stephen Ling, who pleaded guilty to the murder of Joanne Tulip and also admitted raping Joanne, but that offence (i.e. Rape) was allowed to lie on file by the trial judge because the murder was the more serious charge. It means that Stephen Ling will not be on the Sex Offenders Register when he is freed because he was not convicted of rape. Sentencing him to life at Newcastle Crown Court, Mr Justice Potts told Stephen Ling:

“You inflicted appalling injuries on (Ms Tulip) while you were having sexual relations with her.

“I’m also satisfied that there was in your motivation an aspiration of sadism.”

He added: “You will never be released so long as it is thought you constitute a danger to women.”

Stephen Ling carved crosses and swastikas on Joanne before and after her death, before attempting to set fire to her body.

Stephen Ling was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 20 years which was reduced to 18 years on appeal.

Earlier today, Stephen Ling was recommended for release following his fifth parole hearing. In its published decision, the Parole Board panel said:

“The panel was satisfied that imprisonment was no longer necessary for the protection of the public.”

Stephen Ling's release was subject to conditions, which include informing the authorities of any relationships he might develop; being subject to monitoring and a curfew and staying out of an exclusion zone to avoid contact with his victim’s family.

Man who stabbed woman 60 times cleared for release

He wasn't having 'sexual relations' with her, he was fucking raping her, ffs!

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Unfortunately it has turned out to be a hung verdict by the jury for attempted murder. Not sure what happens next yet. It will be a retrial most likely or they may go for GBH - which he has pled guilty too

If stabbing someone 15 times isn’t attempted murder what the fuck is

The police/CPS views on what amounts to prosecution worthy attempted murder is stunningly feeble.

I had sort of fingerprint bruises on my neck when my father attacked me for the last time, when he was throttling me. When I subsequently asked the police when they would do something about it - I was also a care leaver, having been taken into care as a teenager due to having been physically (and emotionally and psychologically abused by him) - I was told that they wouldn't do anything unless it amounted to attempted murder. To which I responded that there was a fine line between attempted murder and murder and what if they didn't get there in time the next time? (As the cops had only arrived on the scene and it had taken several officers to drag him off me after neighbours had called the cops after hearing me scream.) Clearly, visible evidence of bruising on my neck, ie strangulation, wasn't sufficient evidence of attempted murder!

 

[Epona]

The police/CPS views on what amounts to prosecution worthy attempted murder is stunningly feeble.

I had sort of fingerprint bruises on my neck when my father attacked me for the last time, when he was throttling me. When I subsequently asked the police when they would do something about it - I was also a care leaver, having been taken into care as a teenager due to having been physically (and emotionally and psychologically abused by him) - I was told that they wouldn't do anything unless it amounted to attempted murder. To which I responded that there was a fine line between attempted murder and murder and what if they didn't get there in time the next time? (As the cops had only arrived on the scene and it had taken several officers to drag him off me after neighbours had called the cops after hearing me scream.) Clearly, visible evidence of bruising on my neck, ie strangulation, wasn't sufficient evidence of attempted murder!

That's exactly the response I got from when I reported the strangulation assault I mentioned above.
Basically the massive bruising around my throat and on my chest from where I'd been repeatedly punched weren't sufficient evidence, and they weren't going to request CCTV footage that would have shown the assault (it was near Victoria station at a large junction, there were cameras everywhere).
I got a letter through the post telling me that CPS had decided not to investigate and pursue a prosecution.
I'd been strangled to the point of passing out by a large man who had to be dragged off me by several people, and I was signed off work for a week due to my injuries.
Not worth seeking prosecution for.

If he was able to do that to a disabled person who was too slow crossing the road for his liking, what other injuries and indignities might he have inflicted on others? I doubt it was a one-off.

 

[Derek S-H]

This. Ffs.

Really hope they do retry him, though obviously that'll be additional stress for the woman attacked. GBH just doesn't feel enough for such a terrible attack. Wtf were the jury thinking?

I often think that a lot of trials are performative - that it's prosecution versus defence and the accused (male) is presented as positively as possible, whereas the victim (female) is presented as negatively as possible.

I also think there's still too much stereotypical gender-based assumptions around women and that if you get a good barrister or lawyer, they'll be able to argue successfully on your behalf no matter what the offence.

Members of the jury are just ordinary people, your peers, and are subject to the same biases and misinformed beliefs as anybody and this can be exploited by a skilled legal practitioner.

Do I sound cynical? Let's just say I'd never want to be up in front of a jury for anything, because we are all judgemental and easily-persuaded under the right circumstances.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I often think that a lot of trials are performative - that it's prosecution versus defence and the accused (male) is presented as positively as possible, whereas the victim (female) is presented as negatively as possible.

I also think there's still too much stereotypical gender-based assumptions around women and that if you get a good barrister or lawyer, they'll be able to argue successfully on your behalf no matter what the offence.

Members of the jury are just ordinary people, your peers, and are subject to the same biases and misinformed beliefs as anybody and this can be exploited by a skilled legal practitioner.

Do I sound cynical? Let's just say I'd never want to be up in front of a jury for anything, because we are all judgemental and easily-persuaded under the right circumstances.

True. I always say that there's the law and then there's justice, and they aren't necessarily the same thing.

And you're right about our adversarial justice system, it's all about one side fighting the other. I know it's fiction, but I learned a lot about the inquisitorial justice system from watching international drama, like the French series 'Spiral' (aka Engrenages, in France). There, the judge adopts more of a 'head of a judicial enquiry' kind of role, ordering police to follow certain leads and follow certain lines of enquiry. It seems to be more about getting to the root (ie truth) of the matter, rather than here (in England and Wales), where it's a matter of who is the better lawyer, who can mount the best prosecution or defence.

 

[mentalchik]

Rebecca Cheptegei: Olympic athlete dies after petrol attack

I hope the ex is suffering in hospital

Well i suppose in some ways he has paid as he died from burns in hospital....but the issue still stands

 

[GarveyLives]

The national emergency in England and Wales identified by the National Police Chiefs’ Council continues:

Boy, 16, raped married woman walking home from pub after she 'smiled' at him