In Holland the Dutch Socialist Party have indeed asked these sorts of questions and are growing in popularity, upto 20% in the latest polls, I haven't looked at Socialist Unity say yet but i can guess their perspective...
Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed
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In Holland the Dutch Socialist Party have indeed asked these sorts of questions and are growing in popularity, upto 20% in the latest polls, I haven't looked at Socialist Unity say yet but i can guess their perspective...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Interesting, hope not hates split with the uaf/swp was in large part over how to deal with the keighly grooming (the latter arguing it wasa racist conspiracy against Muslims). This is Nick lowles on the latest.
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/...-the-silence-on-grooming#.T6qIUy9Zzvs.twitter
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/...-the-silence-on-grooming#.T6qIUy9Zzvs.twitter
There is a subtext much of the media is reporting is that the CPS were concerned about 'offending sensibilities' this was perhaps at the height of N/L state multi-culturalism where anything could be and often was, construed as racist, etc...
happie chappie
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So what if they were vulnerable girls. Does that mean they can be raped, trafficked and threatened with violence?
What next – “she’s a prostitute so it doesn’t matter if she’s raped”. “She was wearing a short skirt so she was asking it”.
I don’t care how vulnerable someone is, what their background is - they have an absolute right not be abused in this or any other way. Full stop.
They way some people are talking (especially in some parts of the media) is coming very close to blaming the victims.
Anyone who seeks to excuse, mitigate, or even contextualise, this type of behaviour should hang their heads in shame.
As for the sentences - laughable.
What next – “she’s a prostitute so it doesn’t matter if she’s raped”. “She was wearing a short skirt so she was asking it”.
I don’t care how vulnerable someone is, what their background is - they have an absolute right not be abused in this or any other way. Full stop.
They way some people are talking (especially in some parts of the media) is coming very close to blaming the victims.
Anyone who seeks to excuse, mitigate, or even contextualise, this type of behaviour should hang their heads in shame.
As for the sentences - laughable.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Excellent article.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
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Wasn't there some hoo hah that some 'community leader' had basically blamed the girls families for not keeping an eye on them enough. Like Stoat Boy did in fact.
I'm not sure he said that, in fact perhaps remarkably he said he feels some culpability for what happened , more than most people would do...
To be honest I think that the adult who was deemed to have been any of the 'responsible adult' for any of the girls involved should have questions asked of them because as far as I am concerned its obvious that these girls had nobody really looking out for them. Maybe its an unfashionable view on here but adults do have a duty of care towards kids in their charge and that includes making sure that they aint in a position for bastards like this to exploit them.
I bet you know where they are after 10pm at night.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Stoat Boy said:
More 'unfashionable views'. I can see why no one would hold such abhorrent views other than you.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
so it's clearly a very complex issue with lots of differents perspectives all playing off against each other. not easy to resolve.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
Yes. In fact the solicitor for the leader of the gang, who received 19 years, said his client believed "society failed the girls in this case before the girls even met [him] and now that failure is being blamed on a weak minority group".
Avoiding responsibility by blaming someone else, and playing the race card, in one go. Nice.
I think it's part of the misogyny inherent in some men in Muslim communities. Sure, it may be white girls being groomed and raped, but their own daughters fare little better when they can be murdered for something as trivial as having a boyfriend in an honour killing. It's sexism rather than racism, imo.
What a fucking cunt of a solicitor. Needs a slap.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It's a good article, although I think he's got some of his terms a bit muddled. But on the whole, he's correct.
I don't know about that, but there were two rochdale councillors who gave character references for the accused during the trial.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.
Who was the weakest minority here, the poor young girls from the care sector, or the grown men that knew exactly what they were doing?
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
According to some (unverified) reports one of the convicted was or had been a Labour Councillor or had close links to the party.
Well thank fuck these animals have been caught and locked up, shame a capital sentence isn't possible. This sort of thing has been going on for too long and it's shocking that one of the victims wasn't taken seriously when she first reported it. But then again nor was Ann Cryer.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
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trashpony
Hag
That's what they said on PM
I wonder if it's the same one complaining following the Nick Griffin tweet telling the verdict before it was announced?
He said that his client should have a fair crack of the whip!
Well I'm up for that.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Too right, Yardie!Similar threads
