Frog: Sorry but bombs do not wear placards.
Nino: Counting again? At least you have found an outlet.
Nino: Counting again? At least you have found an outlet.
Racist Jamboree, Y'all Come Down!
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Wot? No essay? This is a first. 
Nino, you of all people should know that I am full of suprises, a regular Jack in the Box.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Once again, another evasive post.
So no comment on this then?
Or is it the case that your propaganda supplier needs time to formulate some sort of response?
Nino bumps another month-old thread for no other purpose than to abuse. Surely it is clear that he has no genuine interest in our discussion?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Troll Troll Troll Troll.....*yawn*
I'm afraid not Granny. This is the third month-old thread today that Nino has bumped. It would appear that when no-one is around to fight, Nino is driven to dredge up disputes from weeks ago. Truly worrying. But at least he can rely on you to follow him around yapping "links, links, links" like the poodle you are. That must be a comfort to him in his old age.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
You're really taken by me aren't you phil? Its ok....I know you have some deep seated issues going on in that mind of yours-but really...I'm not interested in feeding your ego-go find someone else to bother there's a good lad. Either that or start one of your lesbo threads-you obviously get a real kick from them.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
You're really taken by me aren't you phil? Its ok....I know you have some deep seated issues going on in that mind of yours-but really...I'm not interested in feeding your ego-go find someone else to bother there's a good lad. Either that or start one of your lesbo threads-you obviously get a real kick from them.
Nino: "Many S. African Jews did not support Israel.": Utter nonsense. Two things, first, simply look at Aliyot from that country following the fall of the Aparthied Govt. We had extra planes flying back and forth. Secondly, while there under Apartheid more supported out tactical alliance with Pretoria than supported terrorist groups like the ANC and even peaceful anti-Apartfeid groups. See, there is a deep longing in most Jews' hearts that , as I was taught myself in a cheder in Brooklyn as a 3 year old boy..."We are supposed to obey the laws of the nations we resiode in AS LONG AS they do not conflict wiht Jewish Laws. Jewish Laws must ALWAYS be honoured above all others and ww must remember that even if we live in America we are Jewish Americans, not American Jews." Pollard is a great example of this as are hundreds more, and thousands of Sayaneem worldwide prove the maxim over and over.
While almost all Jews hated the Apartheid System, they recognised the utility of an erstwhile ally in that part of the world. That nation went out on limbs for us, and we had an enormous vested interest economically and militarily in the country.
While almost all Jews hated the Apartheid System, they recognised the utility of an erstwhile ally in that part of the world. That nation went out on limbs for us, and we had an enormous vested interest economically and militarily in the country.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This is some of the most laughable guff I have ever seen. This is, quite possibly, one of the worst replies I have ever seen. Not only is it full of your characteristic bile, it is wholly inaccurate given the numbers of Jews who fled SA during the apartheid era. The only Jewish supporters of apartheid-era SA was the Israeli state.
Your last paragraph is a particularly nasty narrative. I don't think you talk to many non-Zionist, non-Israeli Jews, do you?
Nino: Your entire post, as usual, was one big insult. I hope you learn now that thave temporarily banned you. Perhaps then you and I may talk like adults.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
there was, shamefully, substantial support from certain sections within the jewish community, but to say that most south african jews, or most jews in general, supported apartheid is a disgusting thing to say and boarders on anti-semitism
a huge number of people in the anti-apratheid movement were jewish and jews were at the forefront of many liberal organisations in south africa. Its part of the reason why neo-nazis think jews are destroying the white race.
judaism and the historical circumstances of the jewish people have always encouraged a belief in social justice and the fact that so many jewish people were involved in this stuff is testament to it ...
a huge number of people in the anti-apratheid movement were jewish and jews were at the forefront of many liberal organisations in south africa. Its part of the reason why neo-nazis think jews are destroying the white race.
judaism and the historical circumstances of the jewish people have always encouraged a belief in social justice and the fact that so many jewish people were involved in this stuff is testament to it ...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Which is why Judaism has always been a religion, that has encouraged people to stand up for what is right rather than what is evil ...
it is better to follow what is right, than it is to obey the "law" of a state made by (wo)men, rather than god, without any moral legitimacy, and forget everything else ...
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I do not deny the existence of geo political reasons why some Jews and the state of Israel supported some aspects of the pre Mandela regime and the concept of a small country surrounded by enemies such as Israel is must have drawn parralells with some people both within the Diaspora and within Israel itself.
I know enough Jewish South Africans to know that many worked tirelessly to see an end to the apartheid regime and those who have left since the fall of apartheid have left for economic reasons not reasons of race or racism.
All peoples do stuff that is forbidden at some point in religious law whatever religion they are.
I do agree that the rule of 'the law of the land is the law' (Beit Ha'aretz is the term I think) has meant that some Jews have made compromises but those compromises have mostly been (from what I've read) for reasons of survival.
Frog: "Alot of the people who fought against Apartheid were Jewish.": Yes, many were, and many more served its interests. Israel and S. Africa were tactical allies and this alliance undoubtedly served to prolong the horror of that era. However, that was not Israel's concern. It was the S. Africans and they , in the end, saw justice done.
"Many in the ANC were Jewish.": Certainly 2 different issues, hence my paraphrasing. Well, some certainly were. I know that most in the ANC of course were not Jewish.
You know, just in the area og general knowledge, there is a balck tribe there that has Jewish roots. The Lemba. Have you heard of them? They actually share the Cohen marker of Y Chromosomal Modality fame. Actually had Jews (many anyway) as ancestors. I do not know how many Lemba involved themselves in that ANC MESS (I know you will love the adjective but it is an understatement) but that might be an interesting subject to examine.
Ahhhh, and in your next post I see where you talk of Jewish support for the regime. OK, I spoke too soon. We both get a gold star (make mine a Star of David).
"PArt of the reason Neo-Nazis think that Jews are destroying the white race.": No, not at all. Jews are not white according to their standards. Jews are at best a Mongrelised Race (they are so cute with their belief that colour signifies race, or that race is even a real concept outside of Anthropology). It has precious little to do with the imaginaed "Jews tend to be liberal."
For the record, the last sentence is a myth. Jews are not a liberal people. Jews represent every stripe under the sun and have not traditionally voted for one ideology or another (outside of Israel and even there it is almost 50-50 at this point) save for the current ideology offering the best advantage to Jews as a People (that IS one myth that has a basis in reality and is quite natural as far as human psychology).
Witness Jewish support for the current Bush.
While I admire your gender inspecific (as in Liberal/Reform theology which no offence is a joke) quote but that aside, evil is purely interprative. The Jewish belief in marrying nieces could be construed to be evil in most Western societies. I believe it may get one arrested in some parts of America (I would love to see a legal quandry over it with the Americans pretense of Religious Freedom. Such hypocrites.).
Are you familiar with the Parhsa of Amelek? What happens there Frog? Absolute Genoicde. What happens in the Parsha of Dina? Dina is raped and Ya'akov/Yisroel (Jacob/Israel) tells his sons not to be over zealous with their revenge...but...they exterminate an entire city. One could take it as a lesson in that being over zealous is not good, but that is not orthadox theology. Most often it is the converse interpretation to show that even a Patriarch can be incorrect in his opinion,etc.
I could go on all day but the point is, while Jews DID introduce Ethical Monotheism to the world, they are not moral super heroes. We are humans like everyone else, prisoner of human frailities and imperfect beings. We DO have the potential to be more but it is the striving that sets us apart. As anyone that strives, we often miss the mark but should get credit for running the race when most never put on their sneakers.
Keyboard: "Many Jews have left S. Africa for economic reasons, not reasons of racism,etc.": You are misunderstanding me. I do not think you would find more than a handful of Jews ANYWHERE who would have supported the racist policy of Apartheid (I never met a single one, and many Jewish Americans have the sterotypical American hangups on race like all other Americans). Tactical alliances can be based one economics as well as other concerns and the Jewish support of S. Africa had ALOT to do with economics. Still, it was support.
If you profit off of something, no matter what form of profit, you have a vested interest in it. After all, that is the absolute basis for Divestment, right? However, a tactical alliance is not friendship or even shared ideals (although it can be one or both as well).
Israel supported the Apartheid regime but also supported the opposite side of the fence in neighbouring nations. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe comes to mind as someone was mentioning it PM and it brings to mind the fact that was a country where we played both ends. That is how nations work, Israel is no exception.
"Everyone break religious precepts.": Oh absolutely. It is, as I was saying, the striving that counts. Only the Creator is perfect. We ALL have HIS Spark within us but are essentialy flawed beings. We can still strive though and always should.
"Beit Ha'aretz.": Yes, that can be used to describe that precept although the literal translation of the phrase is "House of the Land" as in monarchy. Obey the monarchy, as in (Jesus IF he lived of course was a Jew) "Render unto
Caeser" in the parable of the Herodians. As I said though, we are taught that only so far as it never conflicts with Jewish Law.
Some Jews, Dreyfuss was a great example, believe that the country of birth or residence (not always one and the same) should always be the ultimate object of allegiance but they are Jews who reject orthadox theology and traditional culture. It is dangerous to utter it, because it is the mainstay of anti-Jews, but Jews almost always hold a higher allegiance to their own People. That is quite natural. Jews have the oldest continuous civilisation on the planet and have endured some of this planets worst human behavoirs. This is bound to produce a strong bondand of course it has whether or not itis Politically Correct to discuss it.
"Many in the ANC were Jewish.": Certainly 2 different issues, hence my paraphrasing. Well, some certainly were. I know that most in the ANC of course were not Jewish.
You know, just in the area og general knowledge, there is a balck tribe there that has Jewish roots. The Lemba. Have you heard of them? They actually share the Cohen marker of Y Chromosomal Modality fame. Actually had Jews (many anyway) as ancestors. I do not know how many Lemba involved themselves in that ANC MESS (I know you will love the adjective but it is an understatement) but that might be an interesting subject to examine.
Ahhhh, and in your next post I see where you talk of Jewish support for the regime. OK, I spoke too soon. We both get a gold star (make mine a Star of David).
"PArt of the reason Neo-Nazis think that Jews are destroying the white race.": No, not at all. Jews are not white according to their standards. Jews are at best a Mongrelised Race (they are so cute with their belief that colour signifies race, or that race is even a real concept outside of Anthropology). It has precious little to do with the imaginaed "Jews tend to be liberal."
For the record, the last sentence is a myth. Jews are not a liberal people. Jews represent every stripe under the sun and have not traditionally voted for one ideology or another (outside of Israel and even there it is almost 50-50 at this point) save for the current ideology offering the best advantage to Jews as a People (that IS one myth that has a basis in reality and is quite natural as far as human psychology).
Witness Jewish support for the current Bush.
While I admire your gender inspecific (as in Liberal/Reform theology which no offence is a joke) quote but that aside, evil is purely interprative. The Jewish belief in marrying nieces could be construed to be evil in most Western societies. I believe it may get one arrested in some parts of America (I would love to see a legal quandry over it with the Americans pretense of Religious Freedom. Such hypocrites.).
Are you familiar with the Parhsa of Amelek? What happens there Frog? Absolute Genoicde. What happens in the Parsha of Dina? Dina is raped and Ya'akov/Yisroel (Jacob/Israel) tells his sons not to be over zealous with their revenge...but...they exterminate an entire city. One could take it as a lesson in that being over zealous is not good, but that is not orthadox theology. Most often it is the converse interpretation to show that even a Patriarch can be incorrect in his opinion,etc.
I could go on all day but the point is, while Jews DID introduce Ethical Monotheism to the world, they are not moral super heroes. We are humans like everyone else, prisoner of human frailities and imperfect beings. We DO have the potential to be more but it is the striving that sets us apart. As anyone that strives, we often miss the mark but should get credit for running the race when most never put on their sneakers.
Keyboard: "Many Jews have left S. Africa for economic reasons, not reasons of racism,etc.": You are misunderstanding me. I do not think you would find more than a handful of Jews ANYWHERE who would have supported the racist policy of Apartheid (I never met a single one, and many Jewish Americans have the sterotypical American hangups on race like all other Americans). Tactical alliances can be based one economics as well as other concerns and the Jewish support of S. Africa had ALOT to do with economics. Still, it was support.
If you profit off of something, no matter what form of profit, you have a vested interest in it. After all, that is the absolute basis for Divestment, right? However, a tactical alliance is not friendship or even shared ideals (although it can be one or both as well).
Israel supported the Apartheid regime but also supported the opposite side of the fence in neighbouring nations. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe comes to mind as someone was mentioning it PM and it brings to mind the fact that was a country where we played both ends. That is how nations work, Israel is no exception.
"Everyone break religious precepts.": Oh absolutely. It is, as I was saying, the striving that counts. Only the Creator is perfect. We ALL have HIS Spark within us but are essentialy flawed beings. We can still strive though and always should.
"Beit Ha'aretz.": Yes, that can be used to describe that precept although the literal translation of the phrase is "House of the Land" as in monarchy. Obey the monarchy, as in (Jesus IF he lived of course was a Jew) "Render unto
Caeser" in the parable of the Herodians. As I said though, we are taught that only so far as it never conflicts with Jewish Law.
Some Jews, Dreyfuss was a great example, believe that the country of birth or residence (not always one and the same) should always be the ultimate object of allegiance but they are Jews who reject orthadox theology and traditional culture. It is dangerous to utter it, because it is the mainstay of anti-Jews, but Jews almost always hold a higher allegiance to their own People. That is quite natural. Jews have the oldest continuous civilisation on the planet and have endured some of this planets worst human behavoirs. This is bound to produce a strong bondand of course it has whether or not itis Politically Correct to discuss it.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Actions speak louder than words and the Israeli state tacitly supported apartheid and gave succour to the South African regime. To this end, it was quite prepared to perpetuate the country's racist policies, which it would soon adopt in the Occupied Territories.
Nino: "Israel tacitly supported S. Africa's Apartheid system.": Well, if by "tacit" you meant de facto condoning you are of course incorrect. If you meant "help prop it up because of their military and economic trade" then you have a strong point which I already said myself.
Israel of course would never condone it because, if you ever visit Israel you will be able to see why. Many of us are very dark skinned. We range from coal black to snow white. Every physical type under the sun. For us to be focused on physical appearance as the evil in anything would be boderline retarded.
"Israel should soon adopt S. Africa's former racist policies in the so called 'WB'.": You think they should? Haha. I know you did not mean that, calm down. However, not only would Israel never even think of that, Israel is ceding the land post haste.
I find it pretty indicative of the problem in this forum when you say something like that despite reality telling us how Israel has just armed an 1800 man strong PA Infantry on top of their 22,000 Police Force and almost 40,000 man strong Security Apparattus. If amything you would be holding your tongue, if not saying the direct opposite.
Israel removes dozens of Checkpoints and Barriers in the last 4 months, invested much more in Infrastructure, gave the PA an IDF Base and is helping them convert it into a model city, has given them economic incentives, helped prop up their shaky PA administration, and many other things but you believe Israel will isntitute a policy of racial subjugation. Okkkkk...
Israel of course would never condone it because, if you ever visit Israel you will be able to see why. Many of us are very dark skinned. We range from coal black to snow white. Every physical type under the sun. For us to be focused on physical appearance as the evil in anything would be boderline retarded.
"Israel should soon adopt S. Africa's former racist policies in the so called 'WB'.": You think they should? Haha. I know you did not mean that, calm down. However, not only would Israel never even think of that, Israel is ceding the land post haste.
I find it pretty indicative of the problem in this forum when you say something like that despite reality telling us how Israel has just armed an 1800 man strong PA Infantry on top of their 22,000 Police Force and almost 40,000 man strong Security Apparattus. If amything you would be holding your tongue, if not saying the direct opposite.
Israel removes dozens of Checkpoints and Barriers in the last 4 months, invested much more in Infrastructure, gave the PA an IDF Base and is helping them convert it into a model city, has given them economic incentives, helped prop up their shaky PA administration, and many other things but you believe Israel will isntitute a policy of racial subjugation. Okkkkk...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Sorry, but Israel supported the apartheid regime and, as such, was complicit in its survival. Israel has even adopted the Bantustans of the apartheid regime.
As per usual, the rest of your post is another load of apologia.
Nino: "Israel has adopted the South African concept of 'Bantustans'.": Prove it. It should be exceedingly simple to prove your assertion.
It is an absurd, bordering on delusional claim. Jews and Arabs are not only of the same race but of the same, exact racial sub grouping! Israel does not forbid Arabs or Jews from living side by side and indeed we do live side by side in many places.
In addition, a "Palestinian" is free to buy not only a house but even privately held land within Israel, as long as it is not part of the 13.5% belonging to the privately held charity the JNF. That was ratified into Israeli Law earlier this year so as to curtail abuses of the charity's charter which calls for all functions of the JNF to relate to furthering Jewish habitacion within the Jewish homeland. Laws however do not forbid anyone from buying any other land in Israel in private hands. Land not in private hands is not available to Jews or anyone else.
Should an Israeli Jew, or any Jew for that matter, try to buty a house and/or land within the PA they will commit a capital offence which can result in their execution as well as that of the person selling.
Gaza forbids even a Jew from leasing, let alone living in Gazan homes, etc.
Next you must realise that Israel has an Arab minority approaching 20% of the totoal population and that this minority actually has more rights than Israeli-Arabs.
Then there is the uncomfortable (for you) fact that S. Africa was a land populated by migrating indigenous blacks relatively long before the first European White entered the picture. Ergo, one had a tiny minority of foreigners imposing their racist will among a vast majority of indigenous.
Hmmm....sort of like what the Arabs did to us when they invaded our homeland (and that of many other peoples, east and west from Morrocco to China, north to France and south to Sub-Sahara. Arabs are the usurpers, the atrocious and occupying invaders. Jews are indigenous in that land so you are way off base Nino.
It is an absurd, bordering on delusional claim. Jews and Arabs are not only of the same race but of the same, exact racial sub grouping! Israel does not forbid Arabs or Jews from living side by side and indeed we do live side by side in many places.
In addition, a "Palestinian" is free to buy not only a house but even privately held land within Israel, as long as it is not part of the 13.5% belonging to the privately held charity the JNF. That was ratified into Israeli Law earlier this year so as to curtail abuses of the charity's charter which calls for all functions of the JNF to relate to furthering Jewish habitacion within the Jewish homeland. Laws however do not forbid anyone from buying any other land in Israel in private hands. Land not in private hands is not available to Jews or anyone else.
Should an Israeli Jew, or any Jew for that matter, try to buty a house and/or land within the PA they will commit a capital offence which can result in their execution as well as that of the person selling.
Gaza forbids even a Jew from leasing, let alone living in Gazan homes, etc.
Next you must realise that Israel has an Arab minority approaching 20% of the totoal population and that this minority actually has more rights than Israeli-Arabs.
Then there is the uncomfortable (for you) fact that S. Africa was a land populated by migrating indigenous blacks relatively long before the first European White entered the picture. Ergo, one had a tiny minority of foreigners imposing their racist will among a vast majority of indigenous.
Hmmm....sort of like what the Arabs did to us when they invaded our homeland (and that of many other peoples, east and west from Morrocco to China, north to France and south to Sub-Sahara. Arabs are the usurpers, the atrocious and occupying invaders. Jews are indigenous in that land so you are way off base Nino.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I'm going to ignore the rest of your screed.
Any map of the West Bank has clearly marked areas where Palestinians are allowed to live. Those are Bantustans. Perhaps you have a euphemism for those as you do the Wall?
You seem to have a serious problem accepting the fact that Israel supported the apartheid regime of SA. Any country that supports a blatantly racist regime, is as guilty as the regime that they aid.
Any map of the West Bank has clearly marked areas where Palestinians are allowed to live. Those are Bantustans. Perhaps you have a euphemism for those as you do the Wall?
You seem to have a serious problem accepting the fact that Israel supported the apartheid regime of SA. Any country that supports a blatantly racist regime, is as guilty as the regime that they aid.
Nino:"Any map of the region in question has clearly marked areas where 'Palestinians' are allowed to live.": What? "Palestinians" can live anywhere in "Palestine." "Palestine" of course beign all of Gaza and the "WB." None has tried to live in an IsraeliSettlement (although a couple of Israeli-Arabs have and on JNF owned land, they were denied since the JNF is privately owned land, and took it to court but that is another subject unrelated to this).
Ironically, Israeli-Jews do not have this luxury. ASI have stated alot lately, a Jews cannot even rent in Gaza because HAMAS considers that a capital offence for both Jew and landl-rd. An Israeli Jew can also not buy land in the PA "WB" because that too is a capital offence.
Maybe you weant to invert your dynamic?
Instead of looking at cute coloured maps that examine density per ethnicity, you might look at actual legal codes which is how "Bantustans" were defined. They did not reflect population centers but rather places in which non-Whites were allowed by law to live. Nothing at all like this happens with Israel. Only surrounding Arabs have such racist policies.
Or...alternatively...maybe the issue of Contigious Borders is confusing you. Aside from the afore mentioned fact that "Palestinians" are not required to live anywhere they do not wish to live, their land (or that of Israel for that matter) were never designed to posses contiguous borders. Israel only gained this luxury after Arabs attacked it in the 48 War. Gaza of course is already a contigious area, and the 94 to 996% of the "WB" and its accompanying 4 to 6% of Israeli Proper land will also incorporate contigious borders upon Final Settlement.
They will not be contgious with Gaza however. Gaza can be conencted either by tunnel or raised hiway. Either way, that is the consequence of refusing statehood for almost 100 years. too bad.
"Rachamim seems to be having a problem accepting the fact that Israel supported Apartheid era S. Africa...": Really? Funny since I have said the same thing myself, here, a few times. Interesting bjectives that result in a Tactical Alliance has nothing to dow ith "support" however. There was no mutual defence treaty, etc. Your point makes no sense.
Israel supported it because it armed and traiend it to a degree? Israel did not prop up its military . That would have fared the same with or without Israel.
Ironically, Israeli-Jews do not have this luxury. ASI have stated alot lately, a Jews cannot even rent in Gaza because HAMAS considers that a capital offence for both Jew and landl-rd. An Israeli Jew can also not buy land in the PA "WB" because that too is a capital offence.
Maybe you weant to invert your dynamic?
Instead of looking at cute coloured maps that examine density per ethnicity, you might look at actual legal codes which is how "Bantustans" were defined. They did not reflect population centers but rather places in which non-Whites were allowed by law to live. Nothing at all like this happens with Israel. Only surrounding Arabs have such racist policies.
Or...alternatively...maybe the issue of Contigious Borders is confusing you. Aside from the afore mentioned fact that "Palestinians" are not required to live anywhere they do not wish to live, their land (or that of Israel for that matter) were never designed to posses contiguous borders. Israel only gained this luxury after Arabs attacked it in the 48 War. Gaza of course is already a contigious area, and the 94 to 996% of the "WB" and its accompanying 4 to 6% of Israeli Proper land will also incorporate contigious borders upon Final Settlement.
They will not be contgious with Gaza however. Gaza can be conencted either by tunnel or raised hiway. Either way, that is the consequence of refusing statehood for almost 100 years. too bad.
"Rachamim seems to be having a problem accepting the fact that Israel supported Apartheid era S. Africa...": Really? Funny since I have said the same thing myself, here, a few times. Interesting bjectives that result in a Tactical Alliance has nothing to dow ith "support" however. There was no mutual defence treaty, etc. Your point makes no sense.
Israel supported it because it armed and traiend it to a degree? Israel did not prop up its military . That would have fared the same with or without Israel.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
No amount of essay writing on your part can alter the fact that the idea of "separate development" exists. This is the basis of the two state solution and the current condition of the WB.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well there's a surprise.
Rachamim, I very rarely post on middle east threads, particularly in this forum although I used to a few years ago. A couple of years arguing the toss over issues that I now believe to be largely intractible convinced me of the futilty of internet discussion of the topic.
I do however follow these threads and have read most of your posts over the years. Whilst I don't always agree with all of your viewpoints I must say that you argue positions eloquently, appropriately and generally without resorting to the filthy, one-sided, racist diatribes that are the trademarks of some of your adversaries here.
You sir, are a gentleman.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Really.....? Care to point out where this has happened?
dream_girl
waiting for my ban
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not really Granny. I've been reading these boards for the best part of 7 years now and am not about to trawl past threads to satiate your lust for "proof".
Rachamim regularly wipes the floor with the biggoted Spion and eats Nino's lunch every time they lock horns. As a result they and other posters resort to inaccurate anti-Israeli bullshit, fury and ad hominems which are so conspicuously absent from Rachamims style that a neutral observer can't help but find him engaging.
The above is my opinion based on years of reading the rucks. You may not agree but please don't ask me for proof or quotes.
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