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Spion: "Ethnically specific roads.": See, now i know you have never been there. There is no suich thing. There is a two tiered system that allows separate roads for ISRAELIS ( Of which there more than 2.2 Arabs mind you , not to mention Armenians, non Jewish Ethiopiand and Sudanese, Drusse, Bedua, Circassians, Ba'hai, and many others) and for non-Israelis.

Why the system? Because the regular roads were used for sniping at anyone with Israeli liscence plates. The Israeli roads allow for greater protection dyue to specific routing changes and checkpoints.

"Theft of water.":The same acquifier sits under both ISrael and the so called "WB: so it is impossible to "steal water." It is the same supply. If you mean diverting existing rivers, it does not happen. Rivers in our part of the world, with little exception (like Yardana) are seasonal, in other words wadi as we say in Arabic.

The main source of water is the shared acquifier.

"Air and sea blockade": WHAT? You really want to go there? Want to talk about ships with loads of weaponry? Airspace in a land that takes all of 3 minutes to cross by jet? First talk of stability and progress with accepted forms of govt. and then maybe you can BEGIN talking about full sovereign rights.

If they had accepted statehood in 1919, when we did, we would be on equal (or should be) terms.

"Ghettoisation of Gaza.": WHAT? Did ghettoes let out thousands of people for free medical treatment? While the ghetto was firing rocketry at the caregivers? Attemtpint to detonate human bobms?

Gaza is densely populated because of choices made by Arabs in 48 and years afterward. Israel did not herd anyone into any area. Egypt created that sewer, but of course that consideratrion goes against your mindset doesn't it?

"Genocide?": You mean like the HAMAS Charter which you evidently still have not read. So easy Spion. It is like talking with grade schoolers. Make some real points please. You do not even realise what you are saying.

you defend soemthinbg but have not even bothered to read the most basic material about it. You do not even know what HAMAS' mission statement is. You talk of thinks like ghettoes and genocide and make a mockery of everyone who has died in that region.
 
Spion: "Rachamim:HAMAS aims to kill every Jew on the planet...Spion: I couldn't give a shi%!" But that says it all does nit not? Slaves revolting? I suggest you but a ticket to my country, if you can even get admitted, and then cross into Gaza if you are able (might have better luck through the EU crossing) because you really do not have the slightest clue.

"Rachamim is out of touch with the sophistication of his audience (750,000 people).": I combined the two parts because you are making me laugh. 750.000? Do you even know how many lived there in 1947?Israel has 2.2 million Arabs that are, and are descended from the same Arabs living on that land at that time. Israel made 750,000 Arabs leave? I think you need to do soem homework.

Let us look at your "belief."

In 1947, the UN asisted in taking a Mandate wide census that listed all of 650,000 Arabs living there...TOTAL AMOUNT: 650,000. (Progress Report of the UN Mediator submitted to the Secretary General blah blah blah)



In 1949 the new State of Israel condusted a census of its own showing that there were now 160,000 Arabs living on the same land, 160,000 that never left. (Isr. Int. Min. 1949)

Would you like to do the math? Or should I have the honours?

490,000 Arabs left , not the number you give which is almost twice as much. Still, whether 490,000 or 4 the number repsents tragedy. Reality however hows thatthe vast majority left on their own accord and usually because of Arab Propaganda or double dealing.

Again,I will not load this thread with the same info I posted 3 days ago showing just how I proved that Israel did not deport, or commit atrocities in order to make hundreds of thousands of Arabs leave.

I also want to add that of the 490,000 Arab Refugees, according to the UNWRA, only 360,000 needed assistance so as to qualify as a Refugee at all. (Progress Report 3rd Session, Supp. #11)

I also want to add that the UN Mediator listed the number, not at 490,000 but at 472,000. My own numbers place it at 490,000 and having checked and recheked over almost 2 decades I stand behibd my higher number.

Were you to commit yourself to the truth no matter how it reflects on you we would both be better off, as well as this forum.
 
rachamim18 said:
As for kicking out "750,000" people in the process, I just reproved your inaccuracy (put nicely) just 2 days ago and here you go again. You just do not learn. Should I prove how false the number is again, the number actually being no more than 450,000?
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Oh well.....thats ok then :rolleyes:
 
Spion: "Driving them into the sea at Hafia.": DAMN! AGAIN! I Spent hours listing what? 30 sources proving that crap was nonsense and you just keep spewing right back up. how about this: I provided 30? You provide just 10. Provide 10 from non partisan sources since all mine were from Arabs themselves, and we can take the issue from there.

You scroll some Arab website and think you prove the issue?

Anyone caring, I have listed source after souce, from the Arab Legion Commander of the District and City, to a world reknowned PFLP terrorist who was present, to Arab leaders, to International Media spectators and it is up currently. Please availa yourself to the info and make up your own minds.

Here are a couple:

I)" (Hafia District) villages were frequently abandoned even before they wewre threatened by the progress of war." (Interview with John Baggot Glubb, aka Pasha Glubb, British citizen and leader of the Arab Legion then in charge of Hafia District and its EVACUATION,London Daily Mail, 8/12/1948)

II)"They robbed individuals and homes. Life was of little value, and the honour of women was defiled. This state of affairs led many Arab residents to leave the city under the protection of British tanks." (Arab National Committee, Hafia Branch Chairman Hajj Nimer el Khtatib speaking of Arab soldiers in Hafia)

III) In early April of 1948, as Fawzi al Qawukji and his Arab army advanced on Hafia an estimated 25,000 Hafia City Arabs fled the city after his forces spread rumors in a disinformation campaign that Arab planes were going to bomb the city's biggwest Jewish Quarter atop Mt. Carmel.

The Haganah made advances though and routed al Qawukji and on 4/26/1948 took the city: "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carryon with their normal lives anmd to get their shoppes and businesses open and to be asured that their lives and interests will be safe." (Memo from the Hafia {British} Supt. of Police to his superiors dated 4/26/1948. A VERY similar one was dated 4/29/1948 showing that the city was stable).

I have many. many, many more. If anyone cares, please look to the other thread and Spion, please face facts. It is not embarrsing to have gotten something wrong.
 
Andy: Yes, there similarities and differences as you pointed out both well, between the UK and S. Fein and Israel and its many militant enemies including HAMAS.

You are missing something crucial though. While you do correctly point out that the Irish wanted a political solution after all, HAMAS aims for genocide and is not fighting just for a pice of land but for all the land. There is no room in their worldview for a Jewish State in the Middle East, nor the world if one is to believe their owrds expressed in their Charter.

I do believe that the Irish also said that they were willing to talk in good faith and if things were settled, lay down their weapons, this has not been the case certainly with HAMAS.

You are correct that Carter's breaking US LAw does not automatically consign him to error however he is in error. He is seeking dialog with a group whose STATED aim is complete and total genocide. Not many ways to cut that one up and call it fair.

Will Israel require further money? No, it has not needed dime since 1961 and many Israelis, myself included, feel that taking it demeans us and locks us into foreing entagelemens of which we want no part of.

America buys a tactical alliance and Israel makes money to spend on this or that, both make out but I doi wish it would have ended long ago.

Why does America continue to fund us? As stated, it id buying a tactical alliance. In the past it was to buy a proxy to counter Soviet influence in the region but since the breakup of the USSR it has merely bought our favour.

In other words, it keeps us from making ruins of their Arab alliances. If Israel were to hit , say Syria, it would make things very uncomfortable for America along the Syrian/Iraqi border and that is just one very, very small consideration to imagine.

A better example I think would be the SCUDs in 91.


"Without US AId Israel would be bankrupt in 24 months.": I suggest that you examine the Israeli economy with an objective eye and you will find yourself a bit suprised. We have been fully self supporting for going on 4 decades now although mosr Westerners have not a clue about it.
 
Panda: Again, Carter and his bother Builly put it better than I ever could with the policies of the Plains Baptist Church back in the day. Ma'sha'al is self evident I believe, just read the Charter. Carter further reinforces his feelings of old with his latest bestseller, that adorable paperweight.
 
rachamim18 said:
Panda: Again, Carter and his bother Builly put it better than I ever could with the policies of the Plains Baptist Church back in the day. Ma'sha'al is self evident I believe, just read the Charter. Carter further reinforces his feelings of old with his latest bestseller, that adorable paperweight.
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A straight answer rather than a paragraph of dissembling, please.
 
Estimates of total number of people who registered as refugees

"800,000 - 900,000 according to the Historical Survey of Efforts of the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine to Secure the Implementation of Paragraph 11 of General Assembly Resolution 194 (III) published by the United Nations Conciliation Commission, October 2, 1961. [8] (A/AC.25/W.81/Rev.2)

875,998 refugees in June 1951, according to the Report of the Director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East published by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, September 28, 1951. (U.N. General Assembly Official Records, 6th Session, Supplement No. 16, Document A/1905)

914,000 refugees in 1950, according to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency website.

957,000 refugees in 1950 according to the Report of the Director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East published by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, September 28, 1951. (U.N. General Assembly Official Records, 6th Session, Supplement No. 16, Document A/1905)"
 
Spion: Now you have advanced to using Wiki as a source? I will be the first to admit that their self editorialising was fun, but with lack of some real editorial oversight it ias about worthless as souce of facts.

Anyway, having fully read YOUR wiki, I see it as sound but wonder, and i do not mean this in an ad hominem way, but did you even understand what you have posted?

You have posted "Estimates of the total number of people who REGISTERED as refugees."

Now I am lways the first to volunteer that my English is far from perfect. However, in reading tyyoure in reading your article very carefully, and of course having my own compendium of sources to compare it to, a couple of things stuck out. Mostly, your article offered the same info as my sources. It also then asked why then are there numbers like the ones you posted, that were listed at the very end of the Wiki piece?

Wiki said that after the fact many people from other areas registred as "Palestinian Refugees, it also said that there were 30,000 births on average, per ytear meaning that for exampole, your 1960 source there would have been operhaps nearly half a million more refugees on hand.

Also stated was that deaths were un reported out of fear of losing crucial benefits as well as boosting demographuics, and that people at times registered TWICE.

It listed in fact numbers much lower than my 490,000 as I had alluded to in my own post, with the only numbers exceeding mine owing to UN "After the fact" estimates.

Try again Spion. Also....one more very important thing....as your article stated, Refugees came from not only Greenline Israel but Gaza and the "WB" not to mention parts of pre-48 Jordan so that even with 490,000, the real number would have definite;ly been significantly smaller.
 
rachamim18 said:
Belushi: "Evacuation of illegal Israeli 'Settlements'.":Again: Gaza was ceded in tot in 2005, and 15% of the "WB": along with it. The rest of the "WB" was supposed to be handed over as well until HAMAS took it upon itself to seize all of Gaza and use it as a personal launching pad.
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In bold, is a propaganda myth - a myth which is not even peddled in Israel, since Israelis were well aware, and opposed the US arming the Fatah warlord Dahlan to overthrow Hamas in Gaza.

Tony Karon of Rootless Cosmopolitan had written about the Fatah warlord Dahlan in May 2007, describing him as a “Palestinian Pinochet” - unfortunately, this perceptive piece no longer remains on his website. The gist of the methodology however, was for Bush to send arms to the warlord Dahlan - these armaments were intercepted by the Hamas, and the attempted Fatah-led coup was largely foiled, although even the seizure of the US-provided coup-weaponry did not prevent an outbreak of violence, which was largely reported by the mainstream as Hamas-led, rather than being a Hamas-led response to a US-Fatah warlord collaboration.

In June 2007, Dahlan twice attempted to assassinate Haniyeh, as well as leading the coup attempt against the Hamas. By the time Dahlan launched the coup against the Hamas, Haniyeh emphasised that his beef was with Dahlan, and not with the Fatah rank-and-file. Attempts by Abbas to declare a state of emergency required the signature of Haniyeh (Prime Minister). Mainstream reported the Hamas as attempting the coup (rather than the warlord Dahlan) - of course, we should remember that a democratically elected government cannot launch a coup, rather, the US-armed warlord Dahlan launched a coup against the democratically elected Hamas. The divide-and-conquer strategy backfired, and is indeed a shameful act from the US government, whom I feel do not have the interests of either Israelis or Palestinians at heart. Everything that the US does to attempt to weaken the Hamas, only strengthens it, from arming warlords to launch coup, to leading the shameful sanctions against a trapped Palestinian populace in Gaza.

Former Israeli generals, former Mossad director, Ephraim Levy, and other Israeli analysts have been saying that the boycott of the Hamas must end and negotiations must take place. Hamas have been asking for negotiations openly. Israeli public opinion is in favour. These are the mainstream.

The opposers of this? Bush and his buddies, and the few remaining neo-cons in power in the USA, including the pro-Likud bloc in both US and Israel (AIPAC, CUFI etc). These groups are against negotiations between Israel and the Hamas. (They were also against negotiations with Syria, but this is another story entirely.)

It is long overdue to hold unconditional negotiations with the Hamas government. Their leaders prayed in the Synagogues of Gaza, forbidding their destruction as ‘Houses of G-d’, and yet it was out-of-control youths, possibly led by some of the warlord-clans who, possibly not even Hamas supporters, who destroyed them, and whom the mainstream media filmed and used against the newly elected Hamas government.

If Shas and the National Religious Party can exist as a legitimate political parties within the Knesset, then so can the Hamas exist as legitimate political party within the Palestinian Government. If Israel allows national religious movements, intent on removing Palestinians from their lands, then tell me, what kind of hypocrisy is it that would place the ridiculous conditions upon the Hamas as a precursor to negotiating a lasting peace.

I remember the reception by the ordinary Israeli at the time, upon hearing of the cache of arms sent to the warlord Dahlan - was ‘What, are they crazy, Fatah in Gaza are corrupt - at least we had a ceasefire that lasted with the Hamas.

Like the majority of Israelis, I believe it thoroughly possible to negotiate a lasting, meaningful peace with the Hamas - and that is why the US are so against them, for they’d lose Israel as it’s bargaining chip in it’s own wargames were peace to descend on that tiny strip of land.
 
Rach has merely presented a slightly different slant on what many US conservatives already think of Carter. According to them, he was not only the "worst" president but a "monster" too. They always give thanks to St Ronnie for saving them from the 'evil' of liberalism.

The thread title is disingenuous and misleading to say the least.
 
rachamim18 said:
Panda: Yawn. You ask a question, then do not presume to dictate the answer. Quite simply very common sense.
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In which case you won't mind answering the question and saying who exactly the "racists" are, will you?

As for common sense, I'm sure that someone as well-read and knowledgeable as yourself knows what validity "common sense" has.
 
Tangent: "A myth.": You obviously have never read the Kadimah Platform. It was encompassed within the original Wihdrawal Plan which became the basis of the Centrist faction with Likud choosing to break away and reform as a distinctly Centrist party centred around that very statement.

Propaganda? Demographically speaking the nation had no other option. Kadimah made the best of a very bad situation saeeking full and unfettered access to the most heavily (Israeli) populated areas of the "WB" which also simeltaneously held the highest concentration of Jewish Holy Sites on the same land.

Ergo, the plan? 100% of Gaza, 94 to 96% of the so called "WB," 4 to 6% of Israel Proper, and 0% of East Jerusalem. This was THE Platform of the partty, THIS was the plan publicsed wordwide so where you get "propaganda," only G-D can tell.


"Israelis opposed the US arming of Fatah over HAMAS...": WHAT??? What is THAT about?

"Rootless Cosmopolitan wrote about...": No offence, I really mean this, no offence but who cares? Who the hell is that and who is the author? Anyone can write anything and like I ALWAYS say, my shoeshine boy has some strong political insights but I would not let him direct my vote.

"Former MOSSAD says this or that.": As someone who left the army just this past June, I can tell you that THAT is certainly not the conventional wisdom. The "boycott" has proven effective and this was last proven in the last Israelo Govt. sanctioned poll out of Gaza. Most of HAMAS' demographic are against them and this is not due to their hairstyle.

They have caused much more harm than good to their own people. They have used Gaza as their personal fifedom, no different than corrupt Fatah before them with the exception of much less monopolies anmd then only because not that many were left to be exploited.

You seem to have this fantasy that HAMAS represented the will of the Gazan Arabs. This was true when HAMAS swept the elctions, granted, but even then they were illegal by PA and by International Law (again: as I always say).

The only reason they were not disqualified from running, as they damn sure should have been, was because Grandpa Arafat feared an overthrow if he overstepped his corrupt bouncries. Noone in a million years, not Fatah, Not Israel, not the US, and certainly not even HAMAS itself.

When HAMAS DID win, the world was left with a major gaffe, and Israel with an evil bundle on its doorstep.

You speak of arming Fatah...Riiight. How difficult would it have really been to flood them with arms, training, and logistics. Get real.

As for opinions on talking with those hateful fools, individuals can say what they wish to say but then they do not write or effect policy, do they?

"Democratically elected govts cannot effect coups, can they?": Except that you are either unaware or have forgotten that the PA Govt isd not run along the lines of your nation's.

The Security Services , except for the PM Guard, had remained thoroughl;y under Fatah, all 23 branches ( 23 before the so called "Consolidation at which timew 17 still actually existed). Fatah ran the show, HAMAS ran the checkbook, or most of it...HAMAS could not effect any real policy because of a lack of armed support and in that little slice of G-D's green heaven (of should I say dusky grey?) guns say it all.

"But it weakened HAMAS.": WHAT? Where is HAMAS now? Even the EU who kisses Hezbollah's green coloured a%$ keeps the group at arm's length (understatement), save for Norway which imagines itself as a world player now that it acts as a political conduit for the group. what is Egypt's relationship with HAMAS?

"HAMAS leaders prayed in the synagouges of Gaza calling them Houses of G-D.": Indeed, and they have since been resanctified as mosques bfore being totalled and no, it was not "out of control warl-rds."

It was PRC, of which HAMAS is the primary organisation and at the helm.

Again, go and follow the link in the thread I posted today, from a front page World Herald and New York Time piece dated April 1. Do not want to take in the Charter? I still believe you have never read it, if not, please read the afore mentioned article because it washes that nonsense right down the drain.

For Heaven's sake, they purposely destroyed a 2 billion plus US dollar Hothouse industry just because Jews had made it (their words).Please look beyond the propaganda and try and get to the objective versions, please.

"If SHAS and the NPR can exist as legitmate political parties within the (Israeli) system...why can't HAMAS?": Easy answer, neither of those two Israeli parties are committing terrorist attacks, neither one has a platform or Charter calling for genocide, should I continue?

"What kind of hypocrisy is it to ask for HAMAS to meet prerequisites before talking with it when NPR and SHAS want to remove Arabs living on their (Arab) land?": First, you need to study both those parties. Aside from what I just mentioned above, you seem totally unfamilar with the policies referenced.

NPR alone advocates anything like that, although SHAS has touched on it but even then NPR advocates a SWAP. IT advocated giving to the envisioned "Palestine," most of the Arab Triangle (land in Galilee, within Israel itself, whose majority is Arab, in exchange for Jewish holy sites within the so called "WB." It does not talk about Ethnic Cleansing.

You have the audacity (or is it, how can I put it nicely? The ignorance?) to suggest that this is akin to genocide of all Jews worldwide? The total destruction of Israel and ALL its people?

"At least we had a ceasefire with the HAMAS (sic).": Israel has NEVER had a ceasefire with HAMAS. It DID have a Hudna, which HAMAS violated almost 600 times in an 18 month period. In addition, how many attacks has Fatah undertaken in the last 2 years? the comment, attributed by you I believe to an Israeli individual (again so what?), makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Tangent:"IOt is possible to negotiate a lasting and meaningful peace with HAMAS.": Please review my material, please review the thread I posted today, please review their Charter (HAMAS of course), please review their actions over the last 10 years.

Panda: "Who are the raicsts?": Jimmy Carter and Khaled Me'sha'al natrually.
 
Panda: "Why are Me'sha'al and Carter racists?": Carter is racist because , as I mentioned, he, as a member of the founding family and then currently president of the board of trustees for Plains Baptist forbade blacks from even entering his church. I do believe that this qualifies him for the criticism.

Currently, he wriotes a misleading book and then intends to go hobknobbing with the leader of a genocidal group (HAMAS).

As for Me'sha'al, he is not racist as far as I know because as an Arab he is a Semite, just like me and other Jews (the people he aims to exterminate). He is just extremely prejudiced which is just about one and the same when directed against a particular group of people.
 
rachamim18 said:
Panda: "Why are Me'sha'al and Carter racists?":
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I didn't ask "why are Carter and Mashaal racists", so please don't do your usual pseudo-quote implying that I did.
What I asked was "Who are Carter and Mashaal being racist against", a different question entirely.
Carter is racist because , as I mentioned, he, as a member of the founding family and then currently president of the board of trustees for Plains Baptist forbade blacks from even entering his church. I do believe that this qualifies him for the criticism.
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The sins of the fathers, eh?
That's poor even by your usual low standards.
Currently, he wriotes a misleading book and then intends to go hobknobbing with the leader of a genocidal group (HAMAS).
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He wrote a book that some construe as misleading, and that some don't. If you're going to make accusations, at least try to be honest.
As for Me'sha'al, he is not racist as far as I know because as an Arab he is a Semite, just like me and other Jews (the people he aims to exterminate). He is just extremely prejudiced which is just about one and the same when directed against a particular group of people.
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If you don't believe he's racist then why accuse him (as you do in post #46) of being a racist? Are you in error or merely very stupid?
 
Panda: Again with the semantics. Yet I answered your question so why even start with your muckraking. If you are that bored, play sodoku or get a cozy crossword puzzle and stop trying to comb my mind.


You do not like how I paraphrased your question and yet you still got the answer you were looking for, talking about splitting hairs!

"Sins of the fathers.": Except in paying so much attention to my wprding you failed to infer that Carter HIMSELF was president of that church when it did not allow balcks. Father and son, no difference in this case and I said as much.

"Some thought was misleading, some did not.": Now I must state the opinion of everyone on Earth? If I am not mistaken forums provide space for one's own take on things and I simply posted my take on it, obviously. I did not say ,"Everyuone knows it is misleading," or,"Everytone thinks it is misleading." I stated what I THOUGHT.

For the record, anyone who does not think so is deluded. Using the word "Apartheid" in the title and then going on to say Israeli-Arabs enjoy the highest standard of living in the region and are equal to other Israelis. just Arabs in Gaza and "WB" live in conditions approaching Apartheid is ridiculous.

Of course as the self appointed moderator of semantics, I would think you woiuld be absolutely livid over this.

Why accuse Me'sha'al as being racist? Because he hates an entuire group of people based on their DNA, albeit the DNA is closly related to his so what would ytou cll it? Anb anti-Semite Semite? I use the term for expediency because it is the most apt, although I am certainly not the best hand in English. If you know a better way of phrasing iit you might have offered it in a less than pompous manner but that is too far beneath you obviously,

You have just spent an entire post denigrating my English, have you nothing better to do? I remember as a young boy being told by grandmother to keep my mouth shut if I could not find something worth contributing to those around me, and then only in a positive and helpful way.
 
rachamim18 said:
Panda: Again with the semantics. Yet I answered your question so why even start with your muckraking. If you are that bored, play sodoku or get a cozy crossword puzzle and stop trying to comb my mind.
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It's hardly semantics when you transliterate one question into an entirely different question.
You do not like how I paraphrased your question and yet you still got the answer you were looking for, talking about splitting hairs!
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You didn't paraphrase it, Rachamim, a paraphrase would have retained some vestige of the original context, you transliterated it into an entirely different question.
"Sins of the fathers.": Except in paying so much attention to my wprding you failed to infer that Carter HIMSELF was president of that church when it did not allow balcks. Father and son, no difference in this case and I said as much.
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Congratulations on missing the point.
"Some thought was misleading, some did not.": Now I must state the opinion of everyone on Earth? If I am not mistaken forums provide space for one's own take on things and I simply posted my take on it, obviously. I did not say ,"Everyuone knows it is misleading," or,"Everytone thinks it is misleading." I stated what I THOUGHT.
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"Construed" and "thought" don't mean the same thing, Rachamim.
For the record, anyone who does not think so is deluded. Using the word "Apartheid" in the title and then going on to say Israeli-Arabs enjoy the highest standard of living in the region and are equal to other Israelis. just Arabs in Gaza and "WB" live in conditions approaching Apartheid is ridiculous.

Of course as the self appointed moderator of semantics, I would think you woiuld be absolutely livid over this.
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Except that I'm not a "self appointed moderator of semantics", and the only two people I can think of on this board who've ever accused me of being so are an obsessively self-regarding old man from Scotland and yourself. The commonality between the pair of you being the need to be shown to be right, however much wriggling, transliteration, mis-interpretation or downright mischief that takes.
Why accuse Me'sha'al as being racist? Because he hates an entuire group of people based on their DNA, albeit the DNA is closly related to his so what would ytou cll it? Anb anti-Semite Semite? I use the term for expediency because it is the most apt, although I am certainly not the best hand in English. If you know a better way of phrasing iit you might have offered it in a less than pompous manner but that is too far beneath you obviously,

You have just spent an entire post denigrating my English, have you nothing better to do? I remember as a young boy being told by grandmother to keep my mouth shut if I could not find something worth contributing to those around me, and then only in a positive and helpful way.
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If you perceive my post as a denigration of your use of English, I believe that your perception illustrates far more about you than it does about me.
It's a shame you haven't paid more heed to your grandmother, Rachamim. She sounds as if she were wise.
 
ViolentPanda: "Transliterating one question or point into an entirely different one.": You are absolutely correct in that you asked who the 2 are being prejudiced against and I answered why I claim that they are prejudiced. And yet they are answered by the same words so what IS your argument about?

"Congratulations on missing the point.": You asked how Carter was racist, I answered precisely so again, what ARE you talking about?

"Construed and thought are not the same.": If that is so, and I do not think it is, then of course I apologise for my mistake. To my knowledge "construed" means "inferred." "Thought" in this sense , meant to convey "impression," so again, I see them as one and the same. I will check the exact definition of both words to make sure, later.

"A man from Scotland had the same impression about Panda being obsessed with semantics.": Glad that I am not the only correct person on this board. Actually it is a personal impression so it would be neither correct nor incorrect, simply my take on your personality (or the online version of it).

It is kind of humorous that you are arguing this and immediately preceeding this point you made 3 points about my use of English.

"If Rachamim thinks that Panda is denigrating his English, it says more about Rachamimn than about Panda.": Sure, whatever.

"Sounds as if Rachamim's grandmother were (sic) wise." First, is your use of "were" in the previous sentence correct? thanks for the compliment about my grandmother (as if).
 
Once again, Rach uses his considerable skills of missing the point and making loads of noise to score cheap points.

Dishonesty and insincerity be thy names.
 
Jez - If they were more honest than maybe people would vote rather than switching right over when the news comes on.

Johnson - You turn over when the news comes on?

Jez - No, no... well sometimes for a treat, but generally it's great isn't it! Who do you support? Mark likes Israel, I'm Palestine. Makes it more interesting when you pick a... no?

 
Nino: What I find almost terrifying is your failure to follow a simple chain of thought. Anyway, have it your wqay, to each their own.
 
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