Purnell: more attacks on the unemployed, etc
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or nazi Germany! Easy for some CUNT on £60,000 a year plus big expenses fiddles to say!
Note the change of language to something more akin to the way criminals are described: 'The hardest cases, who have been unemployed for more than two years', as if they are recidivist criminals rather than people for whom no work is available.
_angel_
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Certain people on here would love to see the long term unemployed/ on benefits for health reasons actually criminalised.
Yeah and it's always the ones who are on this forum all day, therefore THEY can't exactly be hardworking taxpayers can they, not unless there's jobs going at M15 watching forums all day or somethinG!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He's a junior minister, so more like £75,000 plus fiddles.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This is what happens when a purportedly socialist party takes it's core supporters for granted and panders to the selfishness of middle-class middle Englanders.
New Labour are slowly but surely bleeding the NHS to death anyway, what with PFI.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Purnell has £148,000 worth of expenses claimed for 2006/07. When Hutton was SoS, he trousered a cool £135,337 in total Parliamentary salary.
So putting those two figures together, and you're closer to £300,000 per year.
Really? Doesnt seem that way to me.
This is what happens when a purportedly socialist party takes it's core supporters for granted and panders to the selfishness of middle-class middle Englanders.
New Labour are slowly but surely bleeding the NHS to death anyway, what with PFI.
New Labour have doubled spending on the NHS.
What % of the extra money has gone on PFI ?.....
"Bleedin the NHS to death" is a bloody infantile way of describing what has happened.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
At this rate, before long police will be detaining people based on their "criminal physiognomies" a la Lombroso.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not spending on capital projects though, is it?
We know (given Private Eye and Computer Weekly's exposés of last year) that the NHS has had to stump up roughly £12 billion over the last three years for a (still) non-working computerised records system, and bail-outs to hospitals for budget over-runs (almost all attributable to PFI) totalling about £5 billion a year.
That's just 2 examples out of who knows how many.
What else do you call the gradual drainage of resources from the public purse to private pockets? Scotch fucking mist?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
No, PFI.
A PFI contract entered into today will still be being bled dry by vampires in 2038!
They want you to do braindead menial jobs? They HATE IT when you say you want to do a course that isn't one of their pointless 'back to work' courses.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Actually, I think that when the Tories win it will postpone this a bit - not because the Tories won't want to destroy the NHS, obviously, but because they'll want to change tactics a bit, make it look like they're not just continuing old NL policies for appearance's sake, and importantly make sure their cronies are getting paid rather than NL's. A whole new bunch of consultants, a whole load of new powerpoint, new reorganisations, it all takes a bit of time.
Not that we're not still fucked in the end.
As i said Infantile posturing....
PFI blah blah blah......
Loads of private companies have always made a lot of money out of the nhs.
now your talking about GRADUAL drainage of resources........so when do you think this gradual drainage began.......erm.....
A long time before 1997 wasnt it!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Always?
You're talking bollocks again.
Up until the first Thatcherite "internal market" so-called reforms in the 1980s, private companies participated in very strict contracts with the NHS for supplying goods and services, and these goods and services were pretty much purchased at a regional level, with the concomitant economies of scale.
About 1986.
Odd though, how the sheer volume of money flowing out of the NHS into private pockets jumped so massively only after PFI. Even the imposition of the "internal market" didn't enrich worthless cunts on the same scale as PFI did.
Have you heard of the pharmaceutical industry VP...You could look it up on a wakapedia...you might learn something.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You mean the same pharmaceutical industry that until 1994 was subject to stringent price controls with regard to sales into the NHS (thanks for nothing, Mr. Major)?
Perhaps you need to look it up yourself, you don't appear to know as much as you think.
Stringent price controls eh.....erm.....yeah you obviously know what your talking about....
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
How else do you think that prescription prices got held down for so long without the drugs budget spiralling out of control like it has done since 1994, then? Magic?
And prescription prices made up what % of the NHS budget?
The NHS has always been a cash cow for private companies. To pretend anything else is less than honest.
josef1878
Well-Known Member
Apart from the new ESA benefit, the rest of the "announcement" contains nothing new at all. As said previously all those sanctions and threats of voluntary community work are already here. Ask anybody on a New Deal "training course". The piss poor training companies cannot provide quality work placements, they can't provide people with basic skills they need because they don't have properly qualified staff, immigrants needing basic English lessons get better educated doing a 9 hour a week college course than they do "training" for 30 hours a week with a private training company who are swimming in Government contracts.
They couldn't train a dog to shit on the ground
They couldn't train a dog to shit on the ground
As a secondary part of the NHS. Sure it needed to buy equipment and it bought them, with Government guarenteed contracts from companies that earnt money out of that.
That is not the same as earning money from the very delivery of medicine.
There is one thing to be a manufacturer making a machine, that the NHS happens to buy...or even in some cases where the NHS is the sole buyer...and thus make a profit.
It is entirely different to making a profit out of an X-ray performed on a patient.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Well, looks like it's all going ahead on Monday then.
Plus lots of private involvement in the scheme, of course. You can download the whole leaked doc from the Sky piece on it - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...Planned-By-Government/Article/200807315046271
I'd say "cunts" but, you know, by now that both goes without saying and just isn't a sufficient description. At the same time as I'm reading this I'm listening to Any Questions, where a wheelchair-bound woman has just posed the question how she's supposed to survive the winter when she can't pay both her heating bills and her food bills at the same time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7514513.stm
Plus lots of private involvement in the scheme, of course. You can download the whole leaked doc from the Sky piece on it - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...Planned-By-Government/Article/200807315046271
I'd say "cunts" but, you know, by now that both goes without saying and just isn't a sufficient description. At the same time as I'm reading this I'm listening to Any Questions, where a wheelchair-bound woman has just posed the question how she's supposed to survive the winter when she can't pay both her heating bills and her food bills at the same time.
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