Attacking politicians? Unpicking the ethical dimensions.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Maybe I read you wrong. God analogies make me think of how much this place has changed.
Bless
burtabraham
Active Member
How did you read me?
Flavour
hang the bankers
I am fine with milkshakes and rocks being thrown at Farage. I don't care if it makes him sympathetic or wins him votes. The point is he is scum and deserves to be hit in the face with a variety of objects, liquid and solid, until he is no longer comfortable being out in public. All this tactical stuff is besides the point. It's Nigel Farage. Of course it's ethically okay to throw rocks at him.
burtabraham
Active Member
What are you basing your ethics on though? Your emotions alone?
Flavour
hang the bankers
Class war
burtabraham
Active Member
That doesn't answer the question
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
i tell you what, I’m OK with that as long as those harmed by Farage’s frequently platformed words get to appear on every mainstream news channel spreading hateful lies about him and his ilk in return. What goes around comes around, right? Until then we’ll deal with this asymmetry by chucking stuff.
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It does.
Whether you agree or not.
It is a coherent answer that identified the ethical basis behind the position.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Like an open book no doubt
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're assuming that there were no prior attacks from the right. Which is a fucking big assumption. Especially after the past 14 years. You're something of a clueless willing, and a dullard to boot
burtabraham
Active Member
It really doesn't. I'm asking you for the ethical foundations upon which you wage your 'class war'. Presumably the foundations are that Farage's politics need to be defeated. Why then would you deliberately advocate an action that advances his politics by making him seem sympathetic, and therefore increasing the number of people supporting him. As I said, I think you are just operating on an emotional level.
burtabraham
Active Member
The point is that throwing things at Farage will lead to things being thrown at people on the left.
burtabraham
Active Member
I'm not assuming anything. Why the aggression? Can people not control their emotions round here?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Thought this discussion was about politicians?
burtabraham
Active Member
Do the left not have politicians?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not that I'm aware of
burtabraham
Active Member
Fair point. There does seem to be a shortage of them, I agree.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly; they're all fair game
O, I am all in favour of violent and bloody class war...but against property, reputations, ideologies...not chucking an egg at someone, FFS. I am not even that inclined to go down some personal hate path either,much as I loathe and despise Shammer, he is a representation of a mindset, a hugely unjustifiable, anti-human, utterly selfish shitshow. While I wouldn't do even the mildest damage to a person or animal, I don't have many problems with a sustained class warfare. Re-allocation, occupation, ridicule, wrecking. I am not really that fussed about polite protests, marching around and such either. There is power to be exploited but we need to organise (and not round some strong man charismatic (Starmer and Sunak, FFS - dies of laughter)
It wasn't that long ago when the world had their collective eyes opened to the realisation that the' important people', in our society, are not some fucking creatives or internet twats...but, along with the obvious public sector workers, delivery drivers, retail workers, care workers were suddenly classified as key workers (yet were given not a freaking bean in recompense (unlike the furlough and endless grants for the middle classes). We simply could not cope without regular supplies of toilet rolls. We just need to be more organised, around ideas which resonate. Our power, our resilience.
It wasn't that long ago when the world had their collective eyes opened to the realisation that the' important people', in our society, are not some fucking creatives or internet twats...but, along with the obvious public sector workers, delivery drivers, retail workers, care workers were suddenly classified as key workers (yet were given not a freaking bean in recompense (unlike the furlough and endless grants for the middle classes). We simply could not cope without regular supplies of toilet rolls. We just need to be more organised, around ideas which resonate. Our power, our resilience.
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bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Apply violence till the fuckers don’t come on the streets again
Farage no pun intended will happily milk (shake) any publicity he can get
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Me? That's not my position. I just accept that it's a coherent and logical one with a clear ethical basis.
...but you misunderstand, quite fundamentally it seems, what class war is if you think that Farage getting sympathy or not is a key aspect of it.
As for "operating on an emotional level" it is precisely doing this (allowing my emotional reactions to play a part in my ethical reasoning) that prevents me from basing my actions on the idea of class war.
burtabraham
Active Member
It's certainly possible I misunderstand your position. But to be fair, the initial post I was responding to was two words long, so there isn't much to work with there. Maybe you could pad out your position a bit for me.
ChrisD
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Exeter woman's stand against Nigel Farage goes viral
Kalkidan, who runs Sancho's on Fore Street, wanted to take the chance to speak to Farage in person
I'm against any physical hurt ( I don't count milkshakes or soft fruit.)....
Was very proud of the actions of this friend of mine when NF came to my home town a few years ago.
I turned up to hurl abuse at the red Brexit bus in 2016 but that bastard Johnson had disembarked at Newton Abbot so missed the opportunity
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I'm not confident I have a position. I'm conflicted between the right to self-defence (which I think attacking the likes of Farage is) and the desire not to inflict harm on other living things
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
No politician, of whatever stripe should be assaulted as they go about their business.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Putin? Mugabe? Saddam?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
tell that to cable street
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
It's not you his goons will be coming for once he's in charge though is it?
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
Allende? Nasser? Kimathi?
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