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PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

Personally I'll continue to enjoy the media circus, it's very entertaining and damaging to Johnson's brand, and I actually hope the numbers of letters don't reach 54 at this point, because the odds are he would win the vote by a large majority.

If I was a Tory MP, I would be waiting on next month's by-elections, I would be assuming that Wakefield would be lost to Labour, as it's a traditional Labour seat and the Tory majority in 2019 was just over 3k. But, Tiverton & Honiton is a very different beast, having been Tory since it was formed in 1997 and Parish had a massive majority of over 24k, if that goes it can't be brushed over as the result of mid-term blues. Even if they manage to hold it but with only a tiny majority, it would be a clear sign that Johnson is no longer an electoral asset, so someone else, indeed almost anyone else, could be better to take them into the next GE.

If the vote of no confidence came at that point, I think a lot less MPs would be willing to support Johnson, he could still win it, but with a lower majority than if it was held next week, causing even more trouble.

Having said that, I still think there's a chance that the magic 54 could be hit 'accidently' soon, I say 'accidently' as most media outlets have been reporting this isn't an organised rebellion, making it impossible for anyone to judge. According to the Sky News spreadsheet the number of MPs that have publicly questioned the PM's future since he was fined has hit 39, not all have publicly said they have put letters in, most reports suggest over 20 and up to 26 have publicly stated they have.

When May had to face a vote of no confidence only half of the MPs that had submitted letters had actually publicly announced they had done so.
not sure he would win a confidence vote. its a secret ballot and voting to kick out the sack of shit doesn't carry any risk for an individual mp - and if he wins they cant launch another vote for a year. How many tory mps think they would be worse off without him? If he does win - i cant see it being by much.
Nobody in the cabinet has resigned - despite everything - so they are all tarred by association and its surely too late to be anyone being shocked by the latest revelation that johnson is a deceitful, corrupt, incompetent piece of shit.
 
not sure he would win a confidence vote. its a secret ballot and voting to kick out the sack of shit doesn't carry any risk for an individual mp - and if he wins they cant launch another vote for a year. How many tory mps think they would be worse off without him? If he does win - i cant see it being by much.
Think of the mess May was in over brexit back in 2018, and having lost her majority in the 2017 election, yet she still won her confidence vote by a massive 200 to 117 votes, they are a strangely loyal lot.
 
It'll be down to how many MPs see Johnson as a threat to their re-election prospects. Which is possibly not enough to get shot of him, on account of how many of them are in donkey-in-a-blue-rosette constituencies.
 
last time mps said "wait for the gray report" - now some of them waited and decided to send letters in - plus the photo plus desperate shite like "return to imperial" . the evidence all point to their being more letters going in. You cant say it definitely wont breach the threshold or not.
Boris Johnson is fucked, and has been fucked since the moment details of the downing street parties started emerging, but the commentators going I'm hearing the 42 letters could be breached imminently, possibly even in the next 12 hours don't have any special knowledge, any more than they did when they were saying the same things in February. They're just hoping this time they'll be right, and that everyone will forget all the times they've been wrong. Which tbf they probably will.
 
From the Telegraph's live updates, interesting comments from Hague.

Lord Hague, the former Tory leader, said Andrea Leadsom's statement criticising Boris Johnson (see the post below at 09.49) shows the "fuse is getting closer to the dynamite" for the PM's leadership. He told Times Radio: "I said this was a slow fuse, well such a letter from a senior figure, Andrea Leadsom, is the fuse. The fuse is getting closer to the dynamite here and it's speeding up.

"So I think that's just another indication the Conservative Party is moving faster towards a vote of confidence or no confidence, a leadership ballot, which I said earlier could come next week, or at the end of June. A few more letters like that, and it will come next week."

“I think Boris Johnson is in real trouble. When an MP as reputable, as experienced, as respected as Bob Neill gives that opinion that is very serious trouble for the Prime Minister and I think the Sue Gray report has been one of those sort of slow fuse explosions in politics.

“It is still going along. A lot of people misread it really, the events of last week, as meaning the trouble is over, Boris is free. That is actually not the mood in the Conservative Party which is very, very troubled about the contents of that report.

“So I think the Conservative Party will need to resolve this one way or another, obviously, because to be an effective party they either need to rally behind the prime minister they have got or they need to decide to force him out. I think they are moving towards, either next week or around the end of June, they are moving towards having a ballot, it looks like that.”

And, from Leadsom.

Andrea Leadsom, the former Cabinet minister, has reportedly issued a statement to her South Northamptonshire constituents in which she heavily criticised Boris Johnson over partygate - but stopped short of directly calling for him to resign.

In the statement obtained by The Mirror, Ms Leadsom said: "I am determined to be clear about my views as a matter of personal integrity - the conclusion I have drawn from the Sue Gray report is that there have been unacceptable failings of leadership that cannot be tolerated and are the responsibility of the Prime Minister.

"Each of my Conservative MP colleagues and I must now decide individually on what is the right course of action that will restore confidence in our government."
 
I'd have thought that, purely in terms of his venal self interest, johnson would want the vote of no confidence to happen straight away (either by the 54 coming in or triggering it himself). Hard to judge, but a good chance he'd win it, certainly has a better chance than if they'd just lost the 2 by elections. He'd then be safe for a year which would mean he'd be safe to the next election. Holding a no confidence vote just before those by elections isn't a good look, but he's not overly worried about that.

Johnson winning a V of NC is probably good for Labour too. It would leave the tory party tied to johnson's rotting carcass. Just a pity Starmer can't discover he's got a diplomatic illness that allows him to resign. Don't wish anything painful on him (welll....), maybe just Athlete's Foot.
 
Just trying to imagine johnson's life after being PM. It's going to involve a lot of money, working for dictators, coke and 'philandering'. Just imagine the dogs life the protection officers will lead.
Can't he just have coke related heart attack or a bizzare gardening accident or something? Large sums and he has to pay US tax as well as UK plus enough child maintenance to cripple most honest working men. It can't end well
 
Grauniad (via the Times) are running a list of 'openly critical but no letter yet' MPs - 12.34 and 12.40 here:


You can imagine the phone calls from the whips they'll be getting demanding 'loyalty' to boris johnson, the opportunist shit who stabbed the last leader in the back. Ho ho.
 
Boris Johnson is fucked, and has been fucked since the moment details of the downing street parties started emerging, but the commentators going I'm hearing the 42 letters could be breached imminently, possibly even in the next 12 hours don't have any special knowledge, any more than they did when they were saying the same things in February. They're just hoping this time they'll be right, and that everyone will forget all the times they've been wrong. Which tbf they probably will.
The more sensible ones are phrasing things along the lines of "several tory MPs think the number may already have been reached".
 
We won’t know if enough letters are already in because Brady will wait until after the long jubilee weekend to announce it.
I read somewhere that the 'big dog's" team has a couple of uber loyalists who put letters in at the start as, once the number is reached, the chair of the committee has to write to everyone who submitted a letter asking if they still mean it. This gives 'bin bag full of custard's' office a heads up.
 
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