PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[SpookyFrank]

...and one left over the Savile remarks.

If she was that bothered about Johnson saying or doing indefensible things she'd never have taken the job in the first place. She's left because she's more employable now than she will be in a fortnight's time if she stays in post.

 

[not-bono-ever]

a bit old but yeh

 

[Supine]

I see the party line is resignations are showing Johnson is strong and taking action. Hahaha. Rats leaving the sinking ship.

 

[two sheds]

At least the Met will have three hot suspects.

 

[Humberto]

They'll have to drag him out, peeling his fingers off the door to No.10.

 

[elbows]

If she was that bothered about Johnson saying or doing indefensible things she'd never have taken the job in the first place. She's left because she's more employable now than she will be in a fortnight's time if she stays in post.

I dont think thats the only angle.

As well as the Rishi connection, there is also the strong possibility that she was one of the people who advised him not to use the Savile line in the first place, and didnt like that advice being ignored. And especially did not like subsequent advice in regards apologising and backing down not being followed through with properly in the days that followed.

And although I can well appreciate why people are skeptical of political operators suddenly finding a line of decency and low standards which they dont think its acceptable to cross, the double-think built into the establishment does mean the notion of standards can still exist in the political classes. Just dont expect it to be consistent or to amount to much more than the 'we demand better lies' stuff I was going on about earlier.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Or more like 3 out of 4 were removed today as part of Johnson trying to show he was in control, and deflect from the resignation that was very much not his choice.

Basically that, Munira Mirza was clearly a painful hit, and her resignation letter was damaging to Johnson, whilst covering her own back if they tried to spin her going as being part of any clear-out, so they then get the other three to resign earlier than otherwise planned in an attempt to take the wind out of it. This seems to have largely failed, as most media outlets are making it very clear, that her resignation is a very separate issue to partygate.

And, as you mentioned in your next post, her connection to Sunak, who is clearly pushing ahead with his challenge to become PM, which I assume is because there's growing support amongst MPs to get this over.

So, Sunak gets to say he wouldn't have used the Savile comment himself, announce the help on fuel bills, and then come out with this classic comment, "We have always been the party of sound money — we will always continue to be on my watch — and that is the only kind of party I am interested in."

 

[cupid_stunt]

From The Times yesterday.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yet another rat leaves the sinking ship.

Boris Johnson was hit by a new resignation from Downing Street this morning as a member of his policy unit followed four members of his top team out of the door.

Elena Narozanski left her role this morning, the Conservative Home website reported, after a flurry of departures was started by Munira Mirza, who was Mr Johnson's head of policy and had worked alongside the Prime Minister since 2008.

Huw Merriman, a senior Tory MP, warned the Prime Minister this morning: "I’m deeply troubled by what’s going on and we all know that if a PM doesn’t ship up, then they have to shape out."

"No one in her team had any inkling that she was going to go," one No 10 official told Playbook. "It’s left a gaping hole in the building - several people are in tears and colleagues will be considering their own positions. All bets are off now. This is huge."

Surely he meant, '...shape up, then they have to ship out'?

Tory MP Aaron Bell - who asked PM 'Do you think I'm a fool?' - submits letter of no confidence

Another Conservative MP has submitted a letter of no confidence in the Prime Minister.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[brogdale]

Yet another rat leaves the sinking ship.





Surely he meant, '...shape up, then they have to ship out'?

Tory MP Aaron Bell - who asked PM 'Do you think I'm a fool?' - submits letter of no confidence

Another Conservative MP has submitted a letter of no confidence in the Prime Minister.

www.telegraph.co.uk

What must she have been thinking?

 

[existentialist]

What must she have been thinking?

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Some people just like a challenge...

 

[Plumdaff]

ffs - how can those muppets not put letters in? Do they think its going to all calm down? That the police investigation and full gray report - when it finally comes out - is going to lead to anything other than johnson being ripped to shreds? He's absolutely guaranteed to carry on exactly like he has for the past six months - skidding from calamity to calamity of his own making.

So is sunak is making his move now? - was he just waiting to do his cost of living gas giveaway before sticking the knife in?

I'm not sure anyone would want to take over now, given the choice. It's going to be an appalling year for most, financially, and they might well want Boris to stick around and take the blame for that, getting a new leader nearer to the next election.

For that reason I want the next one in ASAP to face all the anger the cost of living crisis is going to generate. Sunak, with his unimaginable wealth, will be particularly useless on this.

 

[xenon]

Why's he have so many advisors anyway, what do they do exactly? Clearly not inform his public pronouncements, given the shite he speaks.

 

[bluescreen]

ffs - how can those muppets not put letters in? Do they think its going to all calm down? That the police investigation and full gray report - when it finally comes out - is going to lead to anything other than johnson being ripped to shreds? He's absolutely guaranteed to carry on exactly like he has for the past six months - skidding from calamity to calamity of his own making.

So is sunak is making his move now? - was he just waiting to do his cost of living gas giveaway before sticking the knife in?

They're not going to put their letters in until they can be sure there will be a majority voting against him in the no confidence vote that the 54 letters will trigger. If they fail to depose him they'll have to wait another year before they get another chance. There are still a fair number of 'loyal' backbenchers still braying in his support - but I sense, not enough. And they will soon sniff where the wind's changed: today's press could force the issue.

 

[killer b]

Why's he have so many advisors anyway, what do they do exactly? Clearly not inform his public pronouncements, given the shite he speaks.

They're all arseholes too

 

[not-bono-ever]

People forget the facilitators that have access to ministers . Also scum

 

[xenon]

They're all arseholes too

Probably. Just trying to picture what an actual working day inside No10 is like. I mean, when there not cracking open the vino or whatever.

 

[Kaka Tim]

They're not going to put their letters in until they can be sure there will be a majority voting against him in the no confidence vote that the 54 letters will trigger. If they fail to depose him they'll have to wait another year before they get another chance. There are still a fair number of 'loyal' backbenchers still braying in his support - but I sense, not enough. And they will soon sniff where the wind's changed: today's press could force the issue.

As i said before - if it gets to a confidence vote they will almost certainly boot him. No way are they going to want to wait a year. I don't think that is a consideration. I dont get why some are still in the "wait and see" camp when its clear this is only going one way. Sunak latest manoeuvres might prompt some more letter as he's sending pretty clear winks that hes ready - but wont want to do the backstabbing. well - not too obviously.
TBH - a few more public declarations of letters going in over the next 48 hours may well prompt enough to join in. The government cannot actually function right now as its all about desperately trying to save fuckface. Going to be an interesting weekend - He may well be gone in a week.

 

[Spandex]

Probably. Just trying to picture what an actual working day inside No10 is like. I mean, when there not cracking open the vino or whatever.

From what I know of Johnson he's a lazy fucker who can't be arsed with the effort of this whole running the country thing. His advisors therefore have to be all over what's going on and present it to him in a way that he'll understand, make sure his signature is on anything that needs signing, that he's prepared for questions he's likely to be asked, that he turns up where he's supposed to be. Like parents making sure a six year old does their homework and gets to school on time.

 

[spitfire]

Holy shit, the whole sorry mess has even made it on to the front page of my 9 year olds weekly news magazine for kids.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

There's also the internal manoeuvring to consider for those submitting letters - all those MPs who want Johnson gone don't just want him gone, they want to pick the replacement too. We all know that the most swivel eyed basket case of the final 2 gets the gig via the members' vote, so MPs have to make sure that their choice is in that position.

That's where someone like Tugendhat comes in. He's a Tory MP so of course those who pay attention know he's a dick with an atrocious voting record, but outwardly and in the court of pubic perception he's from the "moderate" end of the party. As an example, those who want Sunak know he can't go up against someone from the "shoot the migrants" school of fash (Truss, Patel) because the populist strain of the membership will go frothy at the thought. They want him up against Tugendhat.

None of them are "waiting and seeing" what Johnson does next, they're all making sure their pick is ready to go.

 

[xenon]

From what I know of Johnson he's a lazy fucker who can't be arsed with the effort of this whole running the country thing. His advisors therefore have to be all over what's going on and present it to him in a way that he'll understand, make sure his signature is on anything that needs signing, that he's prepared for questions he's likely to be asked, that he turns up where he's supposed to be. Like parents making sure a six year old does their homework and gets to school on time.

And take him to Pepper Pig world...

 

[two sheds]

... and arrange meetings with tory donors to help set government policy, and set up back routes to NHS funding by new companies that don't really exist yet. All takes time.

 

[kabbes]

There's also the internal manoeuvring to consider for those submitting letters - all those MPs who want Johnson gone don't just want him gone, they want to pick the replacement too. We all know that the most swivel eyed basket case of the final 2 gets the gig via the members' vote, so MPs have to make sure that their choice is in that position.

That's where someone like Tugendhat comes in. He's a Tory MP so of course those who pay attention know he's a dick with an atrocious voting record, but outwardly and in the court of pubic perception he's from the "moderate" end of the party. As an example, those who want Sunak know he can't go up against someone from the "shoot the migrants" school of fash (Truss, Patel) because the populist strain of the membership will go frothy at the thought. They want him up against Tugendhat.

None of them are "waiting and seeing" what Johnson does next, they're all making sure their pick is ready to go.

You raise the interesting point that if you want to have a say in the who runs the country, your most direct pressure point is to join the Conservative Party. They're the ones mostly in charge, and only their membership get a say in who runs it. Mass urban75 entryism?

 

[gentlegreen]

I was briefly on their email list, but I funnelled them into a folder and ultimately couldn't bring myself to read any ...

 

[Teaboy]

There's also the internal manoeuvring to consider for those submitting letters - all those MPs who want Johnson gone don't just want him gone, they want to pick the replacement too. We all know that the most swivel eyed basket case of the final 2 gets the gig via the members' vote, so MPs have to make sure that their choice is in that position.

I'm not so sure about this. Sure, they've had more than their fair share of loon leaders but whatever you make think of Cameron and May they were certainly not from that wing of the.

Johnson is the outlier here but enough were prepared to back him because he is (was?) an election winning machine. Also Brexit stuff aside Johnson is politically closer to the "moderates" than the loonspuds. They were also banking on him being bone idle lazy so easy to manipulate. What they failed to foresee is Johnson surrounding himself with loons in the cabinet.

The whole point of the parliamentary party ultimately having the final say on who becomes leader is in place to stop the members electing a crack pot. I can't see them repeating the mistake they've made with Johnson by choosing someone like Truss or Patel.

 

[ruffneck23]

Opinion | ‘The First Thing You Need to Know About Boris Johnson Is He’s a Liar’

To help make sense of the scandal surrounding Britain’s prime minister, we enlisted the help of satirical newscaster, Jonathan Pie.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Supine]

Getting a negative score on tory party membership popularity is quiet an achievement!

 

[cupid_stunt]

Getting a negative score on tory party membership popularity is quiet an achievement!

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And, Johnson only on +2.9.

 

[Teaboy]

Gavin Williamson is obviously hopeless and a stupid lightweight. Apart from the obvious corruption with Richmond Desmond I don't really know anything about Jenrick and I've never heard of Amanda Milling. I wonder what they have done to upset the faithful?