PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[Badgers]

 

[existentialist]

TBF, that was probably Johnson's best effort at "Yada, yada, yada, I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUU". What he didn't realise was that that's exactly what it looked like.

 

[two sheds]

If Starmer carks it can we have him back?

 

[Badgers]

If Starmer carks it can we have him back?

NO

We will have Corbyn back with Milly as a sidekick

 

[two sheds]

Yes totally - I'm assuming Corbyn wouldn't be allowed back though.

 

[Roadkill]

Oof. I'm slightly reminded of the excoriating dismantling of Margaret Thatcher by Geoffrey Howe, that got dismissed as "being savaged by a sheep". The fact is that Howe DID savage Thatcher, and to ultimately good effect. We can only hope this savaging achieves something similar. It won't turn the issue around, but it might at least start paving the way for Johnson's departure.

I can't see Johnson going yet. The 2019 intake are too loyal and too wet behind the ears to make real trouble for him, and the ERG loons and fellow travellers probably want to make him carry the can for the Brexit shitshow before they dump him. If things continue as they are he'll last into the New Year, although I wouldn't put money on his making it beyond the spring.

 

[Badgers]

Yes totally - I'm assuming Corbyn wouldn't be allowed back though.

Fighting talk

I can't see Johnson going yet.

Is there a viable replacement?

 

[existentialist]

I can't see Johnson going yet. The 2019 intake are too loyal and too wet behind the ears to make real trouble for him, and the ERG loons and fellow travellers probably want to make him carry the can for the Brexit shitshow before they dump him. If things continue as they are he'll last into the New Year, although I wouldn't put money on his making it beyond the spring.

I think it took a while for the Howe Effect to kick in, too. Delayed-action ovine savagery.

 

[Roadkill]

Is there a viable replacement?

Well, there can't be many people who are less fit for the job than him. The problem is getting the Parliamentary party to agree on a successor.

 

[belboid]

I can't see Johnson going yet.

January either cos of ‘ongoing corona effects’ or something we’re not meant to talk about. Supposedly.

 

[Roadkill]

I think it took a while for the Howe Effect to kick in, too. Delayed-action ovine savagery.

True, but he's looked shambolic, incompetent and out of his depth since the spring, and a lot of Tory MPs already think he's not up to the job. I can't see this making very much difference tbh. Not that watching him get a mauling from so emollient a figure as Ed Miliband isn't mighty entertaining, of course.

 

[Badgers]

Well, there can't be many people who are less fit for the job than him. The problem is getting the Parliamentary party to agree on a successor.

Gove?
Patel?
Raab?
Hancock?
Williamson?
Shapps?
Jenrick?
Truss?

 

[maomao]

he's looked shambolic, incompetent and out of his depth since the spring

The spring of 1965 that is.

 

[Roadkill]

Gove?
Patel?
Raab?
Hancock?
Williamson?
Shapps?
Jenrick?
Truss?

God, what a list. I suspect all of them fancy their chances, but how much support each of them would have is the question.

 

[Raheem]

January either cos of ‘ongoing corona effects’ or something we’re not meant to talk about. Supposedly.

That's part of the Madman Theory thing, though. The EU is supposed think Johnson doesn't need to care about consequences (possibly he doesn't care, but it's not really believable that no-one around him does).

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Gove?
Patel?
Raab?
Hancock?
Williamson?
Shapps?
Jenrick?
Truss?

Sunak, the bookies favourite at 5/2 atm

 

[Raheem]

Gove?
Patel?
Raab?
Hancock?
Williamson?
Shapps?
Jenrick?
Truss?

Cuthbert?
Dibble?
Grub?

 

[existentialist]

True, but he's looked shambolic, incompetent and out of his depth since the spring, and a lot of Tory MPs already think he's not up to the job. I can't see this making very much difference tbh. Not that watching him get a mauling from so emollient a figure as Ed Miliband isn't mighty entertaining, of course.

I think that we're looking at a "tipping point" situation here. My guess is that, whatever happens to depose him, it won't be obvious beforehand - or even during - that's what is happening. But when the end comes, it will be quite quick. The only problem then is what creature will ooze from the swamp of mediocrity that is the Tory Party to replace him: there certainly doesn't seem to be a Tory equivalent of Ed Milliband . Obviously, it'll be Gove, but he's nailed his colours to the same mast Johnson has, although he is admittedly very good at nailing his colours to different masts as it suits him to.

 

[MrSki]

 

[andysays]

January either cos of ‘ongoing corona effects’ or something we’re not meant to talk about. Supposedly.

Meanwhile he's fiddling while the whole world burns...

 

[Pickman's model]

"Here I sit in my own vapour
Because some rotter's nicked the paper"

 

[Pickman's model]

Sunak, the bookies favourite at 5/2 atm

Won't be worth a betting slip in three months

 

[Streathamite]

Ok, have the Conservative party been reading Urban 75 posts?

She is also very wrong, and William hague, pointed out why in no uncertain terms international law is vital, and he relied on it every day whilst he was foreign sec.
He also joined the list of former Tory leaders opposing the bill. As it now stands, every living former Tory leader except IDS have now opposed the bill

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, there can't be many people who are less fit for the job than him. The problem is getting the Parliamentary party to agree on a successor.

There are in all the land only 363 people less fit for the job than Johnson. Sadly they comprise the parliamentary conservative party.

 

[Pickman's model]

She is also very wrong, and William hague, pointed out why in no uncertain terms international law is vital, and he relied on it every day whilst he was foreign sec.
He also joined the list of former Tory leaders opposing the bill. As it now stands, every living former Tory leader except IDS have now opposed the bill

Yeh but no one's thought to ask him what he thinks as they've all forgotten he was once leader

 

[Streathamite]

I think it took a while for the Howe Effect to kick in, too. Delayed-action ovine savagery.

It also took a leadership challenge - heseltine

 

[Streathamite]

Yeh but no one's thought to ask him what he thinks as they've all forgotten he was once leader

Actually, true!
in fact, he made sure and shoved his oar in, entirely unbidden, as early as he could

 

[belboid]

She is also very wrong, and William hague, pointed out why in no uncertain terms international law is vital, and he relied on it every day whilst he was foreign sec.
He also joined the list of former Tory leaders opposing the bill. As it now stands, every living former Tory leader except IDS have now opposed the bill

She is quite right that it is widely ignored tho, depending on what’s convenient at the time. Apartheid Israel’s daily breaches have virtually no consequences whatsoever.

and who gives a fuck what ex Tory leaders say, they’re all dead in all but name.

 

[Streathamite]

She is quite right that it is widely ignored tho, depending on what’s convenient at the time. Apartheid Israel’s daily breaches have virtually no consequences whatsoever.

very true in the case of Israel (and the USA, and the PRC). I think the point is that the UK can't afford to simply trash international law, as we would be unable to then cite it in dealings with countries who do take it seriously (which happens to be every other EU nation).

 

[Roadkill]

I think that we're looking at a "tipping point" situation here. My guess is that, whatever happens to depose him, it won't be obvious beforehand - or even during - that's what is happening. But when the end comes, it will be quite quick. The only problem then is what creature will ooze from the swamp of mediocrity that is the Tory Party to replace him: there certainly doesn't seem to be a Tory equivalent of Ed Milliband . Obviously, it'll be Gove, but he's nailed his colours to the same mast Johnson has, although he is admittedly very good at nailing his colours to different masts as it suits him to.

Must admit, I don't agree this is a tipping point. I think there's often a bit of a tendency to exaggerate embarrassing moments like this: the circus moves on quickly, and that's especially the case at the moment, with the twin crises of Covid and Brexit throwing up new headlines pretty much daily. There were some who suggested that the revelation about pigs' heads would bring down Cameron, but that was forgotten soon enough, and that was in much calmer political times.

There are in all the land only 363 people less fit for the job than Johnson. Sadly they comprise the parliamentary conservative party.

That implies that BJ is the Tory MP best suited to be PM and I find that hard to believe, even though the pool of talent on the Tory benches isn't exactly the Mariana Trench!