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Pick For Britain: UK workers needed as foreign workers flown into UK amid crisis in farming sector

See the thing is it could be done, but not here where there's no state owned transport, no state owned housing, no state owned food distribution. All of that private enterprise wants a slice of the pie before the workers get anything. Nothing left to pay for the actual work.

I think the supermarkets should be forced to do it somehow.

I've no idea how though...
 
Get the feeling there'sa bit of brinkmanship here. The British agricultural industry has known long in advance that there would be restrictions on cheap foreign labour .Its had concessions in being allowed to still recruit a more limited number but it wont change its working practises in order to attract a new and sustainable work force. What it wants like most of British industry is off the peg trained workers at the cheapest price. A joined up either industry owned or state sponsored strategy on transport, accomodation, training and development with options for other work during the year is perfectly possible.
 
And it's far from being just me that hasn't heard back from anyone.
i know that, but that doesnt mean others are getting processed.

Are you saying this is a made up?>>>

"The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”
 
It seems to me you don’t need the Tories to blame workers whilst The Guardian is still going.
I dont see blame here, as said before work is being advertised with no terms or conditions - naturally a majority of people will walk away once they see the details, considering the details aren't that attractive. The reason to report on it is not to blame british workers, but because there's a potential food and farming crisis here.
Once you get past the article headline i don't see anything wrong with the article
 
i know that, but that doesnt mean others are getting processed.

Are you saying this is a made up?>>>

"The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”

I'm not sure why you're arguing with Frank here. The numbers in that article mean that only 1,112 British people have been offered work, out of 6000 who were interviewed. That's a lot of British applicants being rejected even after they've seen more details about the available jobs.

Nice of the guardian to have a headline saying British workers were rejecting jobs when actually only 112 workers rejected job offers, while nearly 5000 workers were rejected.

And it doesn't mean that other job sites haven't got back to their applicants.
 
I'm not sure why you're arguing with Frank here. The numbers in that article mean that only 1,112 British people have been offered work, out of 6000 who were interviewed. That's a lot of British applicants being rejected even after they've seen more details about the available jobs.

Nice of the guardian to have a headline saying British workers were rejecting jobs when actually only 112 workers rejected job offers, while nearly 5000 workers were rejected.

And it doesn't mean that other job sites haven't got back to their applicants.
I'm not arguing, i just dont see the "horseshit" in it

And i dont see where you've got those figures from either. 6000 were interviewed from The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers . How many jobs were given by Concordia ("one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance ) tells us nothing about how many got jobs from that 6000.
And of course people will be rejected at interview for a variety of reasons

I agree the framing of it in the title is suspect, but the rest of it is what it is
 
i know that, but that doesnt mean others are getting processed.

Are you saying this is a made up?>>>

"The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”
You have to agree to shared caravan accoms for the duration. Which you pay through the nose for. Lots of the farms are very isolated and have a "company store". You have to agree to the farmers holding back a large percentage of your earnings so if you leave early they keep it
Plus you must agree to them making deductions on spurious grounds.
UK workers wont swallow all that. The farmers know this.

Bunch of cunts.
 
Worth noting that the first crop picked by seasonal workers is the delightful but quite niche asparagus the production of which apparantly has the highest impact on the enviroment , is our most expensive vegetable and is worth some £30m at wholesale prices. Germany has recruited loads of East Europeans to pick the essential household staple of white asparagus.
 
I'm not arguing, i just dont see the "horseshit" in it

And i dont see where you've got those figures from either. 6000 were interviewed from The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers . How many jobs were given by Concordia ("one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance ) tells us nothing about how many got jobs from that 6000.
And of course people will be rejected at interview for a variety of reasons

I agree the framing of it in the title is suspect, but the rest of it is what it is

True, I hadn't noticed that they'd quoted two different organisations without bothering to clarify how many of the 6000 applicants that represented. It still means that actually only 112 Brits actually rejected the jobs. Hardly a huge number.

And obvs it still doesn't mean that other companies haven't got back to applicants.

The article has some really interesting details, like the bloke who, reasonably enough, doesn't want to live in, but the worker-blaming headline is an important part of it.
 
You have to agree to shared caravan accoms for the duration. Which you pay through the nose for. Lots of the farms are very isolated and have a "company store". You have to agree to the farmers holding back a large percentage of your earnings so if you leave early they keep it
Plus you must agree to them making deductions on spurious grounds.
UK workers wont swallow all that. The farmers know this.

Bunch of cunts.

All of this. And I don't buy that they're forced to do this shit by the supermarkets. Fruit and veg is not some weird corner of capitalism where the basic rules of supply and demand don't apply. If there was proper enforcement of working conditions, minimum wage etc food would still be produced.
 
True, I hadn't noticed that they'd quoted two different organisations without bothering to clarify how many of the 6000 applicants that represented. It still means that actually only 112 Brits actually rejected the jobs. Hardly a huge number.

And obvs it still doesn't mean that other companies haven't got back to applicants.

The article has some really interesting details, like the bloke who, reasonably enough, doesn't want to live in, but the worker-blaming headline is an important part of it.

Even if you live out in the countryside and are happy to commute in the farmers won't take you. Because they wouldn't then get to deduct accomodation from your pay.
 
True, I hadn't noticed that they'd quoted two different organisations without bothering to clarify how many of the 6000 applicants that represented. It still means that actually only 112 Brits actually rejected the jobs. Hardly a huge number.
Dont want to carry this on any further than necessary, but my impression of the article was a lot of people "rejected" the work pre-interview, i.e. once they saw the details of the work < and thats totally to be expected was my point.

And then "To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered" < that from that one agency, 900 got offered the job (post-interview i presume if offered it) and still rejected it. Not 112 - 112 accepted the job. and are presumably hired ("112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.” )

Anyhow I think the main point for me is that its not going to be easy to fill at the posts and that has potentially big implications
 
I'm not going anywhere near any organisation who would put the word 'ethical' in their actual name. It's a sure sign that they spend their weekends eating human flesh and worshipping satan.
Nothing wrong with worshipping Satan per se. It’s the associated human sacrifices I have a problem with.
 
Dont want to carry this on any further than necessary, but my impression of the article was a lot of people "rejected" the work pre-interview, i.e. once they saw the details of the work < and thats totally to be expected was my point.

And then "To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered" < that from that one agency, 900 got offered the job (post-interview i presume if offered it) and still rejected it. Not 112 - 112 accepted the job. and are presumably hired ("112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.” )

Anyhow I think the main point for me is that its not going to be easy to fill at the posts and that has potentially big implications
How would you suggest they overcome these difficulties ?
 
Organise. Burn the farm house. Shoot a few farmers to send a wider message. Divide the land into small holdings. Have two rates for produce. One for the poor and one for the rest.

Aye. Bring back the Swing riots. It's been nearly 200 years, time for an anniversary.

A modern attempt might mean burning the caravan living accommodation for starters.
 
Worth noting that the first crop picked by seasonal workers is the delightful but quite niche asparagus the production of which apparantly has the highest impact on the enviroment , is our most expensive vegetable and is worth some £30m at wholesale prices. Germany has recruited loads of East Europeans to pick the essential household staple of white asparagus.
There will be further panicked articles in the Guardian if they can't harvest the asparagus crop :eek:

Also interesting to note that the conditions which we're all agreeing are unacceptable are, of course, those which EU migrants workers have been forced to accept for years. The EU, far from protecting migrant workers' rights and conditions, is actually set up to encourage these practices.
 
This is from the Tiptree International Farm Camp.

Always best to read the small print I think


Rates of Pay
Fruit is usually picked on piece-work, generally speaking the more you pick - the more you earn, for which payment is made weekly in arrears. The rates offered are governed by the amount of ripe fruit available and are exactly the same as those paid to local pickers who also work on the farm. Earnings depend on the effort and ability of the individual, many participants who are prepared to work hard and acquire the necessary skill earn well in excess of the national minimum wage. Where harvest work is hourly paid it is at a rate which is specified by the U.K. Government, currently £8.72/hr and an overtime rate of £10.90/hr after 48hrs work. Please note that there will only be limited opportunities to work overtime.


Owing to new regulations covering rates of pay, it is essential that you achieve a set standard of productivity (which will be advised daily); otherwise we will not be able to employ you. Work is usually available between 08.30 and 16.30 Mondays to Fridays. Typically your working day will be 8 hours (7 hours on a Friday) although at certain stages during the season you will be required to work overtime on Saturdays and Sundays and on other occasions your hours may be less than 39. There may be the opportunity to work some early mornings and weekends. It is important to remember that crop yields and ripening dates are largely determined by the weather, which is unpredictable and can on occasions make work loads unpredictable.
 
i know that, but that doesnt mean others are getting processed.

Are you saying this is a made up?>>>

"The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”

But again a portion of the people rejecting it are willing to help but not spend 6 months on site at 4am starts.

Sleeping in a shed.
 
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