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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

Thing is dude, you moan and whine like this when Butchers (or pretty much anyone) criticizes you--but a couple of posts earlier you called me "an apologist for racism."

I won't respond to you as you deserve, because you do seem mentally unstable to me. But seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You really are a horrific piece of shit aren't you.
You call calling someone "chinky" "a triviality" you get called out. You try and call me racist as I suggest you go explain yourself in your local Chinese restaurant (where you may note you might find a concentration of British Chinese/HK folk who would be very interested in your views). Of course that is terribly racist, rah rah what, rather than using the word "chinky" of course.
You then whine when you get abuse, and report my posts - hahahahah - you internet weirdo.
Then you chip in to some guy who, for some reason known only to him, is posting about topping himself and call him "mentally unstable," after saying "I won't respond to you."
What a worthless piece of dust you are.

Anyway, sorry if what I said before hurt your ickle feelings. How is your single-middle-aged-white-guy-in-Asia holiday going? Tiring I bet. :D :D :D
 
I'm not sure what I could have done. The only march I have been on was the Iraq war.

Problem is that the media do have a huge part to play in deciding what people aware of. There is virtually no coverage of Yemen, Syria, Iraq unless something that makes the government look like it is having an impact happens, like taking territory from ISIS. This power was laid out in writing yesterday in the email from Mrs Vine.

I suppose anything that will make politicians actually worry about what people think, what you suggest would help. Basically it would make being an MP like any other job. If you don't do the job you are hired for you may lose it.

An obligation to stick to manifesto, with funding for some areas ring fenced might help. No more saying whatever you think will get you into power.

Other than that things get a bit extreme. Maybe body cams with live feed. Clocking in and out. Fill out time sheets.

To be frank, I don't think that getting the idle scum to do what every working person has to - clocking, time sheets,expenses forms that are actually filled out and require receipts - is at all "extreme", except in their perception, obviously!
 
You really are a horrific piece of shit aren't you.
You call calling someone "chinky" "a triviality" you get called out. You try and call me racist as I suggest you go explain yourself in your local Chinese restaurant (where you may note you might find a concentration of British Chinese/HK folk who would be very interested in your views). Of course that is terribly racist, rah rah what, rather than using the word "chinky" of course.
You then whine when you get abuse, and report my posts - hahahahah - you internet weirdo.
Then you chip in to some guy who, for some reason known only to him, is posting about topping himself and call him "mentally unstable," after saying "I won't respond to you."
What a worthless piece of dust you are.

Anyway, sorry if what I said before hurt your ickle feelings. How is your single-middle-aged-white-guy-in-Asia holiday going? Tiring I bet. :D :D :D

I noticed that in one of his replies he added "or laundry" himself. Not sure if it was to try and make you look bad or some weird connection in his brain.
 
Police probe Coventry race abuse of BBC's Trish Adudu - BBC News

Trish told listeners the attack happened as she was getting into her car at around 09:30 BST on Wednesday.

She said: "He cycled over to what looked like an Asian student and was basically saying 'Get out of here. Go back home. Haven't you heard the vote?'

"And then he cycles around, sees me looking at him in shock, because it was so loud and so angry.

"And then he says to me 'yeah, that goes for you as well'. He starts calling me the N word and told he to 'go home'."

 
This is sad but inspiring.

So, I was called a nigger today. I was on the phone, going through the turnstiles at Elephant. It was busy and someone asked the woman behind me if we'd all fit in the lift. She replied, "If this fucking nigger gets off her fucking phone, we might." Wait, what? For me - and I acknowledge I have been blessed never in my life to have experienced this directly before - these were first time feels. My body instantly wanted to be as far away as possible. My eyes wanted to stare her down. My heart wanted to both break and thunderously roar with rage. My lips couldn't speak but my tongue wanted to say, nah luv, there is no space big enough for both of us to fit, there's no world big enough for me and you and all your pettiness and all your hate. I looked at her. She was pregnant, quite heavily, with empty, unimaginative Daily Mail eyes and a grim, hollow, unreachable stare, and she sat on the tube with her squinty, brittle, pockmarked husband and they downed a magnum of Smirnoff Ice and cussed and grumbled all the way to Bank. And I realised that she was too pathetic and lost to deserve my pain.
We live in a divided world. Whether you are just suddenly reeling at the acknowledgement of this or whether you have always known it, felt it, experienced it, suffered from it, we must not park our collective reactionary response at anger, anguish, resentment, cynicism, or entrench ourselves deeper within our categorised comfort zones. We must all play our part in disembowelling this monstrous invention of whiteness. Racists and bigots, they're the metastases. We have to get to the cancer. We must dismantle the dominant narratives that fuel white supremacy and confront directly the systems of power that insist and thrive on keeping it alive. We must confront ourselves. We must all acknowledge what it has offered to us and what it has kept from us by virtue of the colour of our skin, the colour of our passport, where we exist in the world and on the neoliberal economic ladder. We must empathise, listen to each other's stories, believe them. We must allow each other time to catch up, without malice or scorn. But seriously, do dig deep and catch up. If you don't know, go know. We owe it to ourselves, to each other, to our futures to do this. Let's take this collectively shitty feeling and do the work. We live in this world together. We must fight for it together. As Baldwin said: 'People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." This could be the threshold for something new, more alert, less inert. We're all here. Don't be a bystander.
 
For those who can't be arsed to look it up, here's the source of the 57% figure.

There has been an of 57% increase in reporting to True Vision since Friday compared to this time last month (85 reports between Thursday 23 –Sunday 26 June compared with 54 reports the corresponding 4 days four weeks ago.) These figures only take into account reports through one mechanism, reports are also made directly to forces and other community groups like Tell Mama and Community Security so this is not an overall national figure. This should not be read as a national increase in hate crime of 57% but an increase in reporting through one mechanism.
 
I know it's a tiny thing, but I've now had several people recognise the safety pin I put in my lapel. I don't intend this to be a gesture: if I encounter anyone giving it the racist shit, I will be in there - non-violently. I don't think this is just about the referendum, but I do think that the almost-overtly racist campaigning prior to it and the result have unlocked a level of latent racism and discrimination that, if I'm honest, I always knew was there (bedroom tax, ATOS, PIP, etc., it's all part of the same discriminatory bollocks), but am still appalled to see being shown quite so openly.

This stuff can always sound like pious posturing from the pulpit, but I truly do believe that we are at a turning point: if the majority of us do not stand up NOW and say "enough", not just to the racism, but to all the fingerpointing, the blame-finding, the manufactured hate, and the "othering" of particular groups of people, then we are on the brink of becoming something very, very nasty indeed. I don't want to live in a world - or even a country - where that is even remotely acceptable, and I'm prepared to have my lights punched out - if that's what has to happen - in order to do my tiny bit to stop that occurring. I hope there are others, many others, who feel the same way.
 
Two points, the Tory government is already right wing, worst case scenario and Boris wins the leadership, something thats looking increasingly unlikely then we have as Prime Minister a socially liberal toff who lives in Islington, is ruthlessly pro-free market but other than that swings with the political wind in whatever direction likely to give him the most power. Same as the last cunt then.

Second point is that Cameron was going to resign anyway before the next election, probably sooner rather than later, he hasn't looked like he wanted the job for a while now. So this leadership contest would have happened anyway, and a Remain vote would have hardly pushed the Tory membership to the left. Not suggesting you think this, but the idea that Leave will cause the most right wing government ever in history is nonsense.

And perhaps a third point, the Tories lurching to the right, with an unelected Prime Minister getting bounced all over by Brussels in the negotiations and UKIP probably not going anywhere for the forseeable, probably gives the best possible chance of a Labour victory in 2020.

Or more likely, a progressive coalition, if the Scots and Irish stick around;)
 
I know it's a tiny thing, but I've now had several people recognise the safety pin I put in my lapel. I don't intend this to be a gesture: if I encounter anyone giving it the racist shit, I will be in there - non-violently. I don't think this is just about the referendum, but I do think that the almost-overtly racist campaigning prior to it and the result have unlocked a level of latent racism and discrimination that, if I'm honest, I always knew was there (bedroom tax, ATOS, PIP, etc., it's all part of the same discriminatory bollocks), but am still appalled to see being shown quite so openly.

This stuff can always sound like pious posturing from the pulpit, but I truly do believe that we are at a turning point: if the majority of us do not stand up NOW and say "enough", not just to the racism, but to all the fingerpointing, the blame-finding, the manufactured hate, and the "othering" of particular groups of people, then we are on the brink of becoming something very, very nasty indeed. I don't want to live in a world - or even a country - where that is even remotely acceptable, and I'm prepared to have my lights punched out - if that's what has to happen - in order to do my tiny bit to stop that occurring. I hope there are others, many others, who feel the same way.

I think there are a lot of people who feel the same. I am also more than prepared for non-violent intervention. I know a few people who are so wound go much further. I only have 103 Facebook friends of whom about 40 are non English. 3 of them have now been verbally abused. Not standing face to face confrontations. Two of them were passing in the street and one as people got off a train. None of them have reported the incidents, even though others have urged them to.

I really hope you do not have to defend anyone but if you do, good luck.

 
What could you have done to stop it, realistically?

Marches are very fulfilling for the marchers, but seldom achieve anything beyond a warm glow of satisfaction.

Engaging politically with our mainstream political parties is also useless. They have a party-line, and they will always toe it.

What you're left with is personal activism, and that takes time and commitment if you have an aim.

If people are sick and fed up with feeling complicit with government decisions, then I'd gently suggest that we start agitating again for "recall" mechanisms that will allow us to call our local and national politicians to account for the decisions they make in our names.
A lot of labour politicians would find recall notices dropping through their letterboxes if such a system existed;)
 
You really are a horrific piece of shit aren't you.
You call calling someone "chinky" "a triviality" you get called out. You try and call me racist as I suggest you go explain yourself in your local Chinese restaurant (where you may note you might find a concentration of British Chinese/HK folk who would be very interested in your views). Of course that is terribly racist, rah rah what, rather than using the word "chinky" of course.
You then whine when you get abuse, and report my posts - hahahahah - you internet weirdo.
Then you chip in to some guy who, for some reason known only to him, is posting about topping himself and call him "mentally unstable," after saying "I won't respond to you."
What a worthless piece of dust you are.

Anyway, sorry if what I said before hurt your ickle feelings. How is your single-middle-aged-white-guy-in-Asia holiday going? Tiring I bet. :D :D :D

Your another bugger that could do with an 'enforced holiday'
I wanted to go on a diving course in Thailand but the thought of the sniggers from the tiny mind brigade, as someone my age buggered off there unaccompanied!?
'diving holiday' aye yeah......
 
I think there are a lot of people who feel the same. I am also more than prepared for non-violent intervention. I know a few people who are so wound go much further. I only have 103 Facebook friends of whom about 40 are non English. 3 of them have now been verbally abused. Not standing face to face confrontations. Two of them were passing in the street and one as people got off a train. None of them have reported the incidents, even though others have urged them to.

I really hope you do not have to defend anyone but if you do, good luck.
Luck does come into it, because any confrontation depends on luck to stop it turning nasty, or becoming dangerous if it does. But mostly, it's about conviction: I firmly believe that most of these racist idiots rely on the fact that nobody wants to face them down, because of the (small) risk they present. I've worked with people far more threatening than those eejits on the tram in Manchester, and I know that 99% of them couldn't ever back their rhetoric up with anything.

As for the 1% who can...well, they're taking a chance too.
 
I think there are a lot of people who feel the same. I am also more than prepared for non-violent intervention. I know a few people who are so wound go much further. I only have 103 Facebook friends of whom about 40 are non English. 3 of them have now been verbally abused. Not standing face to face confrontations. Two of them were passing in the street and one as people got off a train. None of them have reported the incidents, even though others have urged them to.

I really hope you do not have to defend anyone but if you do, good luck.


This is the thing. Most people don't report 'small' things. To do so is just to extend the hurt of it in many ways. I don't blame people for not reporting.

I've only just heard of this safety pin thing. I'm going to do it tomorrow. If it's just a fleeting, ineffectual fad, so be it. Better than not doing it, surely. And crucially, it is not a statement saying 'fuck you, brexit voters'. It is a thing saying 'fuck you, racists'.
 
This is the thing. Most people don't report 'small' things. To do so is just to extend the hurt of it in many ways. I don't blame people for not reporting.

I've only just heard of this safety pin thing. I'm going to do it tomorrow. If it's just a fleeting, ineffectual fad, so be it. Better than not doing it, surely. And crucially, it is not a statement saying 'fuck you, brexit voters'. It is a thing saying 'fuck you, racists'.
Thassit. The bigger picture.
 
This is sad but inspiring.

So, I was called a nigger today. I was on the phone, going through the turnstiles at Elephant. It was busy and someone asked the woman behind me if we'd all fit in the lift. She replied, "If this fucking nigger gets off her fucking phone, we might." Wait, what? For me - and I acknowledge I have been blessed never in my life to have experienced this directly before - these were first time feels. My body instantly wanted to be as far away as possible. My eyes wanted to stare her down. My heart wanted to both break and thunderously roar with rage. My lips couldn't speak but my tongue wanted to say, nah luv, there is no space big enough for both of us to fit, there's no world big enough for me and you and all your pettiness and all your hate. I looked at her. She was pregnant, quite heavily, with empty, unimaginative Daily Mail eyes and a grim, hollow, unreachable stare, and she sat on the tube with her squinty, brittle, pockmarked husband and they downed a magnum of Smirnoff Ice and cussed and grumbled all the way to Bank. And I realised that she was too pathetic and lost to deserve my pain.
We live in a divided world. Whether you are just suddenly reeling at the acknowledgement of this or whether you have always known it, felt it, experienced it, suffered from it, we must not park our collective reactionary response at anger, anguish, resentment, cynicism, or entrench ourselves deeper within our categorised comfort zones. We must all play our part in disembowelling this monstrous invention of whiteness. Racists and bigots, they're the metastases. We have to get to the cancer. We must dismantle the dominant narratives that fuel white supremacy and confront directly the systems of power that insist and thrive on keeping it alive. We must confront ourselves. We must all acknowledge what it has offered to us and what it has kept from us by virtue of the colour of our skin, the colour of our passport, where we exist in the world and on the neoliberal economic ladder. We must empathise, listen to each other's stories, believe them. We must allow each other time to catch up, without malice or scorn. But seriously, do dig deep and catch up. If you don't know, go know. We owe it to ourselves, to each other, to our futures to do this. Let's take this collectively shitty feeling and do the work. We live in this world together. We must fight for it together. As Baldwin said: 'People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." This could be the threshold for something new, more alert, less inert. We're all here. Don't be a bystander.

There are trolls, and there are trolls who consider themselves clever.

"I looked at her. She was pregnant, quite heavily, with empty, unimaginative Daily Mail eyes and a grim, hollow, unreachable stare, and she sat on the tube with her squinty, brittle, pockmarked husband and they downed a magnum of Smirnoff Ice and cussed and grumbled all the way to Bank. And I realised that she was too pathetic and lost to deserve my pain"

The only thing missing was ' in their thick northern accents'
Do me a favour 'hinny'
And haddawayishyte.
I actually wonder if this kind of Shyte is a 'double bluff' trying to intensify the hostility of us 'uneducated working class, racist bigots' against the metropolitan elite?
 
Thassit. The bigger picture.

It's 63 years since a safety pin was an essential item of clothing for me but if you can convince me it's an anti racism demo,rather than fuck you brexiters, I'll wear one without difficulty, as would most of my brexiter brethren.
 
This is the thing. Most people don't report 'small' things. To do so is just to extend the hurt of it in many ways. I don't blame people for not reporting.

I've only just heard of this safety pin thing. I'm going to do it tomorrow. If it's just a fleeting, ineffectual fad, so be it. Better than not doing it, surely. And crucially, it is not a statement saying 'fuck you, brexit voters'. It is a thing saying 'fuck you, racists'.
What safety pin thing is this?
reminds me of this The Paperclip Was Used As a Symbol of Resistance During World War II
 
So, I was called a nigger today. I was on the phone, going through the turnstiles at Elephant. It was busy and someone asked the woman behind me if we'd all fit in the lift. She replied, "If this fucking nigger gets off her fucking phone, we might."

I thought you were a man?
 
That was not my writing. I just wrote the this is sad but inspiring.

You're supposed to put quotations in quotation marks.

Can you at least give the source for your moving story? It doesn't show up on Yahoo search.
 
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It's 63 years since a safety pin was an essential item of clothing for me but if you can convince me it's an anti racism demo,rather than fuck you brexiters, I'll wear one without difficulty, as would most of my brexiter brethren.
I wouldn't want to waste my breath on saying "fuck you" to brexiters.
 
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