People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[smokedout]

is the new right wing Tory goverment going to change any of this aside from getting us out of Europe..

Two points, the Tory government is already right wing, worst case scenario and Boris wins the leadership, something thats looking increasingly unlikely then we have as Prime Minister a socially liberal toff who lives in Islington, is ruthlessly pro-free market but other than that swings with the political wind in whatever direction likely to give him the most power. Same as the last cunt then.

Second point is that Cameron was going to resign anyway before the next election, probably sooner rather than later, he hasn't looked like he wanted the job for a while now. So this leadership contest would have happened anyway, and a Remain vote would have hardly pushed the Tory membership to the left. Not suggesting you think this, but the idea that Leave will cause the most right wing government ever in history is nonsense.

And perhaps a third point, the Tories lurching to the right, with an unelected Prime Minister getting bounced all over by Brussels in the negotiations and UKIP probably not going anywhere for the forseeable, probably gives the best possible chance of a Labour victory in 2020.

 

[butchersapron]

Note: I didn't reply to krtek. He went out of his way to reply to me to pretend that i replied to him. This stuff is not on.

 

[JimW]

I WILL FUCKING TOP MYSELF IF YOU TWO DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE.

Don't harm yourself, but c'mon, you can't expect to comment in a thread and not be replied to, and here you've quoted something not in reply to you.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't harm yourself, but c'mon, you can't expect to comment in a thread and not be replied to, and here you've quoted something not in reply to you.

I've reported that post of his - something needs doing about his behaviour this last week. It's not good for anyone at all least of all himself, and it's not good for the boards to have/allow a poster to threaten to kill himself if someone posts something they don't like.

 

[seventh bullet]

And of course, not a single comment about his use of "non white". Or the poster who thinks it's ok, a jolly wheeze, to use the term "chinky".

But no - round on the easiest target you can. You filth.

You were wrongly and (knowingly so) portraying me as a racist. You called me a UKIP collaborator after assuming (wrongly) that I had voted.

 

[krtek a houby]

Don't harm yourself, but c'mon, you can't expect to comment in a thread and not be replied to, and here you've quoted something not in reply to you.

Desperate times etc. I deserved to be taken to task for the "white boy" comment, even if it was in reply to seventh bullet's ugly "non white" comment. But two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not that I can't take criticism. It's that the great satan and his laughing imp have been on my case for years. Even when I (or a mod) put them on ignore. I've begged them to leave me alone. It's not them being critical for the sake of it - it's a fucking game to them. I can do without bullies, I've had enough of them all my fucking life.

Sorry for derail.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[Treacle Toes]

Can this STOP now please? It's way out of hand.

 

[krtek a houby]

You were wrongly and (knowingly so) portraying me as a racist. You called me a UKIP collaborator after assuming (wrongly) that I had voted.

You used the term "non white" - so, I fought back. Clumsily, I admit but there you go.

 

[seventh bullet]

You used the term "non white" - so, I fought back. Clumsily, I admit but there you go.

You were portraying me as a right-wing UKIP type before I used that term (clumsily and innocently). Before you were even aware of my personal life.

You attack people then love to play the victim.

 

[Pickman's model]

Desperate times etc. I deserved to be taken to task for the "white boy" comment, even if it was in reply to seventh bullet's ugly "non white" comment. But two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not that I can't take criticism. It's that the great satan and his laughing imp have been on my case for years. Even when I (or a mod) put them on ignore. I've begged them to leave me alone. It's not them being critical for the sake of it - it's a fucking game to them. I can do without bullies, I've had enough of them all my fucking life.

Sorry for derail.

Tbh from my pov you want it both ways, to refer to me while insisting I not refer to you - for example the vile references you made to me while we were on enforced ignore. Now, if you don't in any way mention, quote, allude to, or refer to me then I will do the same to you. I don't think you can but I would be happy to be proved wrong.

 

[krtek a houby]

You were portraying me as a right-wing UKIP type before I used that term (clumsily and innocently). Before you were even aware of my personal life.

You attack people then love to play the victim.

You know fuck all about me or my life. I saw red when I saw the words "non white" so I replied to it.

 

[seventh bullet]

You know fuck all about me or my life. I saw red when I saw the words "non white" so I replied to it.

You know fuck all about me or my life, but nevertheless you thought you would try and trash my personal relationship, didn't you? With vile abuse. That's why I came out with the kill yourself stuff, which was out of order, and I apologise unreservedly for that, but don't you dare try and blame me for your own bigoted outbursts. Own your shit, stop playing the victim.

 

[JimW]

Desperate times etc. I deserved to be taken to task for the "white boy" comment, even if it was in reply to seventh bullet's ugly "non white" comment. But two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not that I can't take criticism. It's that the great satan and his laughing imp have been on my case for years. Even when I (or a mod) put them on ignore. I've begged them to leave me alone. It's not them being critical for the sake of it - it's a fucking game to them. I can do without bullies, I've had enough of them all my fucking life.

Sorry for derail.

I think butchers is right that a response threatening self-harm is no good to anyone, and you have leapt in in a way that to be charitable is intemperate. Seventh bullet clearly didn't enjoy a really hostile reading of an innocent comment on his own personal circumstances. You will get heated and robust responses on this.forum but that's part of it's value IMO, and have to say I think the onus is on ourselves to bow out if it's too much.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Not gonna stop then? Nowt else going on so you'll re-beat each other with shitty sticks whilst others jeer from the sidelines?

 

[seventh bullet]

I didn't cover myself in glory, I was awful in my personally abusive response and again I am sorry for that. That's it from me on this now. I don't know why this has been brought back up, though. I'm out of here.

 

[JimW]

I didn't cover myself in glory, I was awful in my personally abusive response and again I am sorry for that. That's it from me on this now. I don't know why this has been brought back up, though. I'm out of here.

Hope.you don't mean the boards, value your contribution.

 

[Spymaster]

I WILL FUCKING TOP MYSELF IF YOU TWO DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE.

Perhaps you need to take a break from here.

 

[existentialist]

I WILL FUCKING TOP MYSELF IF YOU TWO DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE.

Not OK. If you're suicidal, there are avenues to get help. Threatening it in order to control the way other people behave is completely out of order. Own it, and get some help.

 

[seventh bullet]

Hope.you don't mean the boards, value your contribution.

Nah, but thanks anyway. I meant this cross-thread beef and derailment. That's the end of this shit for me, and I hope it is for krtek as well. He needs to take a break, and I don't mean that in a fake, sneery way. Our clash aside, taking other people's legitimate responses on thread discussions as deep personal attacks and threatening suicide in order to influence and/or manipulate the behaviour of other posters is leading only to more hurt all round. And I say that while feeling shit about how I responded to him last week, which was shameful.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Manchester African-Caribbean community centre closed after racist call - BBC News

 

[phildwyer]

Explained above. Now, please, please, please - I BEG YOU, leave me the fuck alone. Don't mention me ever again, don't refer to me, don't comment on my posts.

Leave me alone. Thank you.

Thing is dude, you moan and whine like this when Butchers (or pretty much anyone) criticizes you--but a couple of posts earlier you called me "an apologist for racism."

I won't respond to you as you deserve, because you do seem mentally unstable to me. But seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

 

[phildwyer]

I've reported that post of his - something needs doing about his behaviour this last week. It's not good for anyone at all least of all himself, and it's not good for the boards to have/allow a poster to threaten to kill himself if someone posts something they don't like.

Fucking A. We shouldn't have to deal with that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Utterly self-important, patronising, nonsense.

Well, it is phil, after all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes our government has done terrible things but I will admit I am ashamed that we went to war in Iraq, bombed Syria, sold arms to Saudi Arabia and other countries, that we are complicit in the murder of innocent men, women and children. Leave voters should at least admit that they have had an impact on making racism more acceptable in this country. Or would you rather stick your head in the sand because your personal feelings are more important.

You're only complicit if you believe that marking an "x" on a piece of paper every 5 years is actually democracy, and makes you part of the decision-making mechanism of government.
Guess what? "The Social Contract" that we imagine governs relations between the rulers and the rules: The rulers broke it long ago.

 

[Anju]

You're only complicit if you believe that marking an "x" on a piece of paper every 5 years is actually democracy, and makes you part of the decision-making mechanism of government.
Guess what? "The Social Contract" that we imagine governs relations between the rulers and the rules: The rulers broke it long ago.

I wish we did have a more accountable system of government. Last week was my first time voting.

I feel complicit because I have done nothing to stop this regardless of whether it is possible as part of the 'democratic process's or not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wish we did have a more accountable system of government. Last week was my first time voting.

I feel complicit because I have done nothing to stop this regardless of whether it is possible as part of the 'democratic process's or not.

What could you have done to stop it, realistically?

Marches are very fulfilling for the marchers, but seldom achieve anything beyond a warm glow of satisfaction.

Engaging politically with our mainstream political parties is also useless. They have a party-line, and they will always toe it.

What you're left with is personal activism, and that takes time and commitment if you have an aim.

If people are sick and fed up with feeling complicit with government decisions, then I'd gently suggest that we start agitating again for "recall" mechanisms that will allow us to call our local and national politicians to account for the decisions they make in our names.

 

[Lurdan]

If people are sick and fed up with feeling complicit with government decisions, then I'd gently suggest that we start agitating again for "recall" mechanisms that will allow us to call our local and national politicians to account for the decisions they make in our names.

A combination scaffold and bungee rope ?

 

[treelover]

Desperate times etc. I deserved to be taken to task for the "white boy" comment, even if it was in reply to seventh bullet's ugly "non white" comment. But two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not that I can't take criticism. It's that the great satan and his laughing imp have been on my case for years. Even when I (or a mod) put them on ignore. I've begged them to leave me alone. It's not them being critical for the sake of it - it's a fucking game to them. I can do without bullies, I've had enough of them all my fucking life.

Sorry for derail.

Know the feeling, too many bullies on here, see the boards as their own domain.

 

[Anju]

What could you have done to stop it, realistically?

Marches are very fulfilling for the marchers, but seldom achieve anything beyond a warm glow of satisfaction.

Engaging politically with our mainstream political parties is also useless. They have a party-line, and they will always toe it.

What you're left with is personal activism, and that takes time and commitment if you have an aim.

If people are sick and fed up with feeling complicit with government decisions, then I'd gently suggest that we start agitating again for "recall" mechanisms that will allow us to call our local and national politicians to account for the decisions they make in our names.

I'm not sure what I could have done. The only march I have been on was the Iraq war.

Problem is that the media do have a huge part to play in deciding what people aware of. There is virtually no coverage of Yemen, Syria, Iraq unless something that makes the government look like it is having an impact happens, like taking territory from ISIS. This power was laid out in writing yesterday in the email from Mrs Vine.

I suppose anything that will make politicians actually worry about what people think, what you suggest would help. Basically it would make being an MP like any other job. If you don't do the job you are hired for you may lose it.

An obligation to stick to manifesto, with funding for some areas ring fenced might help. No more saying whatever you think will get you into power.

Other than that things get a bit extreme. Maybe body cams with live feed. Clocking in and out. Fill out time sheets.