People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[coley]

I'm calling Coley a nob for jumping on that FB daftness as a point to dismiss everything else they have said. As for the rest, I have commented already about thats on the other threads.

I read it in the " whole" the fluff around the section I quoted was just that, fluff, the bit I quoted was the ''meat' of the article.
This 'Anju'. Sounds very similar to another simplistic 'new poster" who arrived a few months ago, with a similar, " sorry if I'm a getting things wrong, I'm new on here"

 

[Anju]

I really don't know about that. The other anecdotes he posted did sound plausible.

But that Phoebe Boswell seems like a nasty piece of work. Inventing racial incidents to make herself look and feel cool. It's an insult to anyone who's really been a victim. And it's an insult to her intended victims, the caricaturable, stereotypable British proles, who have just memorably asserted themselves on one of the very rare occasions they have been allowed to do so, and who are now suffering the backlash of the aggrieved liberal bourgeoisie.

This is what I was talking about yesterday. It is not a plot. She has no victims. The only people she would be harming by lying are other black people.

 

[coley]

Yes I have waited patiently for over 10 years to get you. FFS.

Aye whey you sad sod, hope it was worth it, whatever "getting me" means, you sound like a bad line from a thrupenny book.

 

[phildwyer]

This is what I was talking about yesterday. It is not a plot. She has no victims. The only people she would be harming by lying are other black people.

Bollocks.

She's harming--I'd say deliberately harming--the 52% of British people who voted Leave. She's suggesting that we are responsible for the entirely fabricated and fictitious racial incident she has invented. She's caricaturing us as Daily Mail-eyed, foetus-abusing, vodka-guzzling, Elephant-and-Castle dwelling, pissed-while-pregnant, rude-on-the-tube, racist bigots. She's basically taken every cheap, nasty stereotype she can think of and made a composite character out of them, to feature in a fantasy of which she is both victim and heroine, giving her a fine opportunity for cringeworthy, moralistic, self-righteous, holier-than-thou exhortations to... to do what exactly? Love and admire her mainly, afaics.

Absolutely disgraceful. I've half a mind to write to the Mail about it.

 

[Anju]

I read it in the " whole" the fluff around the section I quoted was just that, fluff, the bit I quoted was the ''meat' of the article.
This 'Anju'. Sounds very similar to another simplistic 'new poster" who arrived a few months ago, with a similar, " sorry if I'm a getting things wrong, I'm new on here"

Me 2002 member. Just relating my experiences. Sometimes getting help. Shocked at the attitude of some people here.

You 2009 member. Said in another post that you had made 4 people redundant, how tough it was to make your niece redundant. Said here that you were going to Thailand on a diving course. Seems a little hypocritical. Believe that the racist attacks being carried out now are to make white working class people look bad.

 

[coley]

Me 2002 member. Just relating my experiences. Sometimes getting help. Shocked at the attitude of some people here.

You 2009 member. Said in another post that you had made 4 people redundant, how tough it was to make your niece redundant. Said here that you were going to Thailand on a diving course. Seems a little hypocritical. Believe that the racist attacks being carried out now are to make white working class people look bad.

You have lost the plot, if you ever had one in the first place, and just ease off on the threats, I have only reported one person on here but you are getting close to being the second.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, some of us on here at this time of night have had a drink or two, mebbes you have gone beyond two?
Cool down or fuck off.

 

[Anju]

Aye whey you sad sod, hope it was worth it, whatever "getting me" means, you sound like a bad line from a thrupenny book.

I was simply mocking your belief that I am a troll.

 

[coley]

I was simply mocking your belief that I am a troll.

Aye, fair comment, most trolls are amusing, at first.

 

[Anju]

You have lost the plot, if you ever had one in the first place, and just ease off on the threats, I have only reported one person on here but you are getting close to being the second.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, some of us on here at this time of night have had a drink or two, mebbes you have gone beyond two?
Cool down or fuck off.

I'm going to fuck off. I have not threatened you in any way. I love the way you accuse me of threatening you in such an aggressive way, making ridiculous demands. The only thing I have threatened is your self imagine.

 

[coley]

I wouldn't want to waste my breath on saying "fuck you" to brexiters.

Just the kind of attitude needed to mend fences and move forward, ain't it.

 

[ginger_syn]

You've all lost the plot.

 

[coley]

I'm going to fuck off. I have not threatened you in any way. I love the way you accuse me of threatening you in such an aggressive way, making ridiculous demands. The only thing I have threatened is your self imagine.

"Yes I have waited patiently for over 10 years to get you. FFS."

I imagine some on here would feel very threatened by a post of this nature, luckily, I just think your some kind of misguided troll, others disagree, that's the beauty of this forum.
On balance, I didn't report you, you aren't worth the bother.

 

[phildwyer]

if the majority of us do not stand up NOW and say "enough", not just to the racism, but to all the fingerpointing, the blame-finding, the manufactured hate, and the "othering" of particular groups of people, then we are on the brink of becoming something very, very nasty indeed.

I wouldn't want to waste my breath on saying "fuck you" to brexiters.

This isn't aimed at Existentialist in particular. But the logical incompatibility of these two quotes captures a widespread paradox in the thinking of Remain voters that seems worth highlighting.

I've lost count of the number of people I've heard or read saying similar stuff. "The only thing I hate worse than bigotry is the nasty, smelly, ugly, stupid bigots--they're horrible they are, don't talk to them, they're stinky." It's the purest form of performative contradiction. Why can't Remain voters accept that many Leave voters are radicals and progressives?

 

[existentialist]

Why? Do you think we're racists?

Not getting dragged into that one, Phil...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Then Phoebe Boswell is a liar.

I really don't know about that. The other anecdotes he posted did sound plausible.

But that Phoebe Boswell seems like a nasty piece of work. Inventing racial incidents to make herself look and feel cool. It's an insult to anyone who's really been a victim. And it's an insult to her intended victims, the caricaturable, stereotypable British proles, who have just memorably asserted themselves on one of the very rare occasions they have been allowed to do so, and who are now suffering the backlash of the aggrieved liberal bourgeoisie.

Where is your evidence of this?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Bollocks.

She's harming--I'd say deliberately harming--the 52% of British people who voted Leave. She's suggesting that we are responsible for the entirely fabricated and fictitious racial incident she has invented. She's caricaturing us as Daily Mail-eyed, foetus-abusing, vodka-guzzling, Elephant-and-Castle dwelling, pissed-while-pregnant, rude-on-the-tube, racist bigots. She's basically taken every cheap, nasty stereotype she can think of and made a composite character out of them, to feature in a fantasy of which she is both victim and heroine, giving her a fine opportunity for cringeworthy, moralistic, self-righteous, holier-than-thou exhortations to... to do what exactly? Love and admire her mainly, afaics.

Absolutely disgraceful. I've half a mind to write to the Mail about it.

Where is your evidence of this?

 

[phildwyer]

Where is your evidence of this?

Post 646.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I'm going to fuck off.

Probably for the best.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Post 646.

What this? They is no evidence here.

Sorry Anju, but he's right. Think about it: it's impossible for anyone to "down" a magnum of Smirnoff Ice on the tube between Elephant and Bank. It cannot be done.

The fact that the story claims it was done by a heavily-pregnant white lumpenprole with "Daily Mail eyes" tells us all we need to know about the agenda here. You have been duped.

they downed a magnum of Smirnoff Ice and cussed and grumbled all the way to Bank.

1. They...it was not claimed she was travelling/drinking alone.
2. 'they downed a magnum' ....doesn't even mean they finished it between them in that time. It can simply mean they were drinking it, maybe quickly during that time.


So, no evidence at all just you assuming to know what can and can't be done, as well as overlooking the fact that this woman wasn't alone and 'downing' can mean drinking quickly without actually finishing.

 

[keybored]

Why can black people not attempt to write something with a bit of style.

Credible racism. Lovely.

Scrolling down her wall makes it look like she might have a bit of an agenda.


Nice try though. Why aren't some black people allowed to tell porkies? You racist!

 

[Treacle Toes]

Interesting that none of the other stories linked to in the last few ages have been given this level of scrutiny. Have they even been discussed? Nope.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Scrolling down her wall makes it look like she might have a bit of an agenda.


Nice try though. Why aren't some black people allowed to tell porkies? You racist!

What agenda is that then?

 

[J Ed]

Interesting that none of the other stories linked to in the last few ages have been given this level of scrutiny. Have they even been discussed? Nope.

tbf none of them have come with the prose filled with classism that this one did. Not saying that I don't believe this one, judging by events over the past seven days it's very believable regardless of context and even if it isn't true I am sure that hundreds of similar incidents we don't know about have happened.

 

[phildwyer]

What this? They is no evidence here.





1. They...it was not claimed she was travelling/drinking alone.
2. 'they downed a magnum' ....doesn't even mean they finished it between them in that time. It can simply mean they were drinking it, maybe quickly during that time.


So, no evidence at all just you assuming to know what can and can't be done, as well as overlooking the fact that this woman wasn't alone and 'downing' can mean drinking quickly without actually finishing.

1. Yes, she supposedly had her husband with her. That makes the story less plausible, not more. How many fathers-to-be would join their heavily-pregnant wife in swigging vodka from the bottle on the tube? And how did Boswell know it was her husband anyway?

2. "Downing" means finishing. There is no way that two people, no matter how alcoholic, could down a magnum of Smirnoff Ice between Elephant and Bank, a journey of under ten minutes. That is impossible.

 

[phildwyer]

Interesting that none of the other stories linked to in the last few ages have been given this level of scrutiny. Have they even been discussed? Nope.

Because there was no reason to doubt them.

 

[J Ed]

2. "Downing" means finishing. There is no way that two people, no matter how alcoholic, could down a magnum of Smirnoff Ice between Elephant and Bank, a journey of under ten minutes. That is impossible.

You realise that it's Smirnoff Ice, the alcopop, rather than neat vodka don't you? I *could* drink all of that personally in five minutes if I wanted. I wouldn't want to but it's absolutely possible.

 

[phildwyer]

You realise that it's Smirnoff Ice, the alcopop, rather than neat vodka don't you? I *could* drink all of that personally in five minutes if I wanted. I wouldn't want to but it's absolutely possible.

Yes, I know what Smirnoff Ice is. Do you know what a magnum is? It's about four pints. The journey between Elephant and Bank takes five minutes. So you'd have to drink almost a pint a minute, of one of the most disgusting drinks known to humanity, on a crowded tube, while heavily pregnant.

Are you a betting man by any chance?

 

[CRI]

tbf none of them have come with the prose filled with classism that this one did. Not saying that I don't believe this one, judging by events over the past seven days it's very believable regardless of context and even if it isn't true I am sure that hundreds of similar incidents we don't know about have happened.

Phoebe Boswell is an artist and, funny thing about artistic people, they often write in an "artistic" way. Ah, but no one can down a "magnum of Smirnoff Ice" that fast, so she must be lying. Didn't happen, or blown out of proportion. Must have some "agenda."

Stop me if you've heard this one before - Black person, Asian person, Muslim "looking" person gets racist chanting from white guys, maybe shouting in their face, some spitting or throwing stuff at them, hell, even a punch. People around ignore it - not "British" to get involved, make a fuss. Person knows if they retaliate, they'll come off worse and doubt anyone will help them. Report it to the cops, yeah like they'll be believed. Might even be arrested. Shitty experience though, so you write about it on social media. Get flamed, told you're lying, you didn't report it, no proof, no witnesses, there's no evidence, you made it up, chip on your shoulder, you hate white people . . . yadda yadda yadda . . . "

Now with added, "You're lying to make Brexit voters look bad, we're not racists, we keep telling you we're not racists, we're the real victims in all this, boo hoo. People are being mean to us on Facebook. Will no one think of the poor lefty white blokes?"

And this thread that was supposed to be about racists incidents following/connected with the referendum result. It's all cock fights and a lake of white tears. Pathetic.

 

[J Ed]

Yes, I know what Smirnoff Ice is. Do you know what a magnum is? It's about four pints. The journey between Elephant and Bank takes five minutes. So you'd have to drink almost a pint a minute, of one of the most disgusting drinks known to humanity, on a crowded tube, while heavily pregnant.

Are you a betting man by any chance?

Ah ha the plot thickens. Further complicating this, you cannot actually buy a magnum of Smirnoff Ice. The largest amount you can buy is a 70cl bottle and yes (sadly) I could easily drink that in five minutes.

 

[J Ed]

And this thread that was supposed to be about racists incidents following/connected with the referendum result. It's all cock fights and a lake of white tears. Pathetic.

Well I don't know about this 'lake of white tears' stuff but the cock fights thing is definitely true, I am going to stop discussing how fast people can drink alcopops or not. One of the things that has shocked me over the past week, almost as much as the increase in racist and xenophobic incidents, is the way in which they have been denied and excused or ignored. One of the three just seems to be the default response for a lot of people.