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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

littlebabyjesus said:
Thread is pretty fucking important at the moment, imo. Important to keep track of this stuff. More important than the sensibilities of a few posters here who seem to take as a personal affront any suggestion that increased racial abuse is directly linked to the brexit vote.
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yes it is, which is why it's unfortunate that beef has overshadowed reporting
 
ViolentPanda said:
This shouldn't need saying, but that isn't what the poster claimed, is it?
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Coley was mocking him for saying the PB is a friend of a friend. I had no idea who she is but when I clicked the link I can see that 1 of my friends is friends with her. Another one, an urbanite has commented on her page recently. So his story isn't an implausible one at all.
 
All,

Apologies for my part in derailing the thread. I don't want this so will not reply to any more comments here, but will post any incidents I am made aware of.
 
Perhaps a supplementary thread could be made, and all the arguments about things like what does the term 'magnum' mean when it's applied to a popular alcopop, or how fast can people drink whilst travelling on public transport can be hived off into that.

And this thread can go back to it's original purpose. Please.
 
CRI said:
"it's a deliberate distortion of the issue to suggest that the vote for Brexit was racist"

Once and for all, saying that a massive part of the Brexit campaign was racist is NOT the same as saying everyone who voted for Brexit was racist. How folks who voted out who weren't racist squared that with their consciences was up to them. Why they aren't robustly condemning the racist incidents, and the strong racist elements of the campaign is what I find apalling.

"not to say that some racists didn't vote Brexit . . ."

Fuck me, understatement of the year.

I'm off to cuddle some furry animals.
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What I think it's worth remembering here is that this is all a game to our Phil. He could just as easily be arguing on the other side of the table this time next week. It doesn't pay to take him too seriously: I made the switch a long time ago, and life suddenly got a lot more peaceful :)
 
I think there is discussion to be had here rather than just listing stories
(like this one UPDATED Swedish mum in York told "**** off back to your own country")
ohmyliver said:
Perhaps a supplementary thread could be made, and all the arguments about things like what does the term 'magnum' mean when it's applied to a popular alcopop, or how fast can people drink whilst travelling on public transport can be hived off into that.

And this thread can go back to it's original purpose. Please.
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reminds me of the there are no Kentucky Fried Chicken on a Fun Run-gate. Ive been here too long :facepalm:
 
phildwyer said:
Yes, I know what Smirnoff Ice is. Do you know what a magnum is? It's about four pints. The journey between Elephant and Bank takes five minutes. So you'd have to drink almost a pint a minute, of one of the most disgusting drinks known to humanity, on a crowded tube, while heavily pregnant.

Are you a betting man by any chance?
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A magnum is 51-ish fluid ounces, or just over 3 US pints, and just over 2.5 imperial pints.
 
Rutita1 said:
You don't like the way she looked down her nose and was judgemental about someone who had just called her a nigger?
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oh come on, anyone denying it happened based on how big a bottle of smirnoff ice is makes then a cunt tbh, but that paragraph is awful and highlights perfectly the deep seated hatred towards the poor that has existed in the UK for over a decade now. There are many equally bad examples currently on the net, and choosing to highlight someone responding to racism is not the best look, neither is doing it on this thread. But equally it is worth remembering that there is a group of people in the UK, not all white, but all poor, who have been demonised, abused, and sometimes violently attacked, both at governmental level and in the streets, based on their economic class and nothing else. That in no way justifies racism, just as what happened to that artist doesn't justify her prejudices, but I have seen some horrifying stuff since the result which if it were based on race, not class, would be prosecutable.
 
smokedout said:
but that paragraph is awful and highlights perfectly the deep seated hatred towards the poor that has existed in the UK for over a decade now.
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I don't think it does highlight that actually.

It's sneery yes but I think you are projecting your associations. If she had gone further I'd agree with you.

...and let's have a few things straight...I'd fucking sneer at her too if she had just called me a nigger. I'd sit there needing to convince myself of all the reasons why I shouldn't get up and lamp her one and why I needed to be a more mature, tolerant etc but underneath I'd also be fighting the sneering, it's a defense mechanism, and so would anyone else who had a fucking clue what it's like to be on the receiving end of random racist abuse.

There are many equally bad examples currently on the net, and choosing to highlight someone responding to racism is not the best look, neither is doing it on this thread.
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I'm not going for a look. I am pointing out that sometimes the reactions to racism/abuse aren't palatable, they are a reflection of anger, frustration, pain... that feeling of being sick and tired of having to/being told to rise above it. It's just a word, sticks and stones...blahdifuckingblah.

So no, don't tell me to come on as if you've got some special insight that I am missing. I get it.

But equally it is worth remembering that there is a group of people in the UK, not all white, but all poor, who have been demonised, abused, and sometimes violently attacked, both at governmental level and in the streets, based on their economic class and nothing else. That in no way justifies racism, just as what happened to that artist doesn't justify her prejudices, but I have seen some horrifying stuff since the result which if it were based on race, not class, would be prosecutable.
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Start a thread.
 
Rutita1 said:
I don't think it does highlight that actually.

It's sneery yes but I think you are projecting your associations. If she had gone further I'd agree with you.

...and let's have a few things straight...I'd fucking sneer at her too if she had just called me a nigger. I'd sit there needing to convince myself of all the reasons why I shouldn't get up and lamp her one and why I needed to be a more mature, tolerant etc but underneath I'd also be fighting the sneering, it's a defense mechanism, and so would anyone else who had a fucking clue what it's like to be on the receiving end of random racist abuse.
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I remember, back in the day when I had some middle class friends and one of them got mugged by a couple of black kids. Suddenly, amongst these perfectly liberal 'nice' young people a load of sneering racism emerged, not overt, much like that paragraph, highlighting perceived stereotypes, making assumptions, comments about appearance based on racist tropes. It was revealing, and so are her comments.

I'm not going for a look. I am pointing out that sometimes the reactions to racism/abuse aren't palatable, they are a reflection of anger, frustration, pain... that feeling of being sick and tired of having to/being told to rise above it. It's just a word, sticks and stones...blahdifuckingblah.
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that past of my post wasn't aimed at you at all, sorry if you thought it was

Start a thread.
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given how this thread has gone I'm not sure thats such a good idea
 
Alright, serious question. Is there any hard evidence for an increase in racial assaults/abuse following the referendum? As in crime statistics, police reports and the like? Or is it just anecdotal?
 
phildwyer said:
Alright, serious question. Is there any hard evidence for an increase in racial assaults/abuse following the referendum? As in crime statistics, police reports and the like? Or is it just anecdotal?
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I reckon it'll be a while before comparative stats are available but when people are actually mentioning the referendum result as part of the abuse it's safe to say it probably had something to do with it.

I'm not sure why you're sceptical that racial assaults increased after the vote. I think it was an absolute certainty that they would.
 
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Spymaster said:
I reckon it'll be a while before comparative stats are available but when people are actually mentioning the referendum result as part of the abuse, it's safe to say it probably had something to do with it.
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Hang on, what people are mentioning it? I think you're jumping to conclusions here.

There are plenty of reasons for racists to vote Remain. Being in the EU causes us to have a de facto racist immigration policy. Immigrants from Europe tend to be white, unlike those from the Commonwealth, who they have replaced.

Also, there are many good reasons for anti-racists to vote Leave. As I've said on another thread, we owe a historical debt to the Commonwealth that we don't to Europe, and for that reason I'd rather see immigrants come from there--in fact that's the main reason I'm in favor of Leave.

I don't suppose there's any actual data on how racists voted. There seems to be a concerted media campaign to associate the Leave campaign with racism, but I don't see any necessary connection myself..
 
phildwyer said:
There are plenty of reasons for racists to vote Remain. Being in the EU causes us to have a de facto racist immigration policy. Immigrants from Europe tend to be white, unlike those from the Commonwealth, who they have replaced..
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tbh I think you're out of touch with current realities in the UK. People from Eastern Europe today face the same kinds of prejudices that people from the Commonwealth faced in the 60s or 70s. They may be white, but that doesn't stop a kind of abuse that comes from the same place as racism, and from the same people mostly.
 
phildwyer said:
Hang on, what people are mentioning it? I think you're jumping to conclusions here.

There are plenty of reasons for racists to vote Remain. Being in the EU causes us to have a de facto racist immigration policy. Immigrants from Europe tend to be white, unlike those from the Commonwealth, who they have replaced.

Also, there are many good reasons for anti-racists to vote Leave. As I've said on another thread, we owe a historical debt to the Commonwealth that we don't to Europe, and for that reason I'd rather see immigrants come from there--in fact that's the main reason I'm in favor of Leave.

I don't suppose there's any actual data on how racists voted. There seems to be a concerted media campaign to associate the Leave campaign with racism, but I don't see any necessary connection myself..
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Dunno what data you want - all the far right groups were campaigning for Leave, there were loads of shots of known BNP / NF / Britain First / EDL / etc members on street stalls and the like campaigning for leave.
 
Forgot to say, saw my cousin yesterday to watch the football with, his English isnt great, and he said he doesn't dare speak in public as he doesnt want to draw attention to himself.... a lot of that is in his mind of course, but that mood is very much out there now.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
tbh I think you're out of touch with current realities in the UK. People from Eastern Europe today face the same kinds of prejudices that people from the Commonwealth faced in the 60s or 70s. They may be white, but that doesn't stop a kind of abuse that comes from the same place as racism, and from the same people mostly.
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The EU's hardly innocent of racism itself, as its attitude to Turkey has always shown, and as its attitude to the Syrian refugees has recently confirmed. To see it now associated with the supposedly anti-racist side of the debate seems bizarre to me.

I also think you're naive to equate the current situation of white European immigrants with that of immigrants from the Commonwealth in the 60s. The degree of prejudice may have been comparable, but the its causes and manifestations were entirely different. And "racism" is a misnomer for hostile prejudice towards foreigners of one's own race anyway.
 
phildwyer said:
I don't suppose there's any actual data on how racists voted. There seems to be a concerted media campaign to associate the Leave campaign with racism, but I don't see any necessary connection myself..
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Yeah there was a special little box at the top of each ballot for racist people to tick. I'm sure we'll get the figures on that soon.
 
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