People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[andysays]

Ah ha the plot thickens. Further complicating this, you cannot actually buy a magnum of Smirnoff Ice. The largest amount you can buy is a 70cl bottle and yes (sadly) I could easily drink that in five minutes.

I reckon she was eating a Magnum and drinking (a standard sized bottle of) Smirnoff Ice.

Anyway, this story may well be 100% true, I have no reason to doubt it, but the inclusion of a litany of so many chav cliches suggests to me that it isn't only racists who have a store judgemental stereotypes about other people or groups which they reveal without necessarily intending to...

 

[phildwyer]

Ah ha the plot thickens. Further complicating this, you cannot actually buy a magnum of Smirnoff Ice.

Exactly. You can however buy a magnum of Smirnoff Red Label, which is probably what Boswell meant. But only Shane MacGowan or similar could drink one of them in five minutes. And even he couldn't do it while pregnant.

The largest amount you can buy is a 70cl bottle and yes (sadly) I could easily drink that in five minutes.

What's that, about a pint-and-a-half? I could just about manage that too. Not on a tube though. It's illegal for a start.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, I know what Smirnoff Ice is. Do you know what a magnum is? It's about four pints. The journey between Elephant and Bank takes five minutes. So you'd have to drink almost a pint a minute, of one of the most disgusting drinks known to humanity, on a crowded tube, while heavily pregnant.

Are you a betting man by any chance?

You don't think it might have been hyperbole rather than outright lying?

 

[CRI]

Well I don't know about this 'lake of white tears' stuff but the cock fights thing is definitely true, I am going to stop discussing how fast people can drink alcopops or not. One of the things that has shocked me over the past week, almost as much as the increase in racist and xenophobic incidents, is the way in which they have been denied and excused or ignored. One of the three just seems to be the default response for a lot of white people.

Fixed that for you, but yeah, both the increase and the minimising, denying and blaming (from white folks across the political spectrum) is fucking shocking, imho.

 

[andysays]

Fixed that for you, but yeah, both the increase and the minimising, denying and blaming (from white folks across the political spectrum) is fucking shocking, imho.

So let's be clear, please tell us who on this thread is

1. denying that this incident reported by PB happened
2. minimising its significance or effects
   
3. blaming her for it happening

and then explain how you can justify the statement I've highlighted

 

[CRI]

You don't think it might have been hyperbole rather than outright lying?

She says she was a victim of abuse, but if it were true, she should have described the incident accurately, using no words could be viewed as emotional or exaggerated (and heaven forbid if she described any measurements or types of alcohol wrong.) I mean if her recall of the (distressing) incident isn't perfect, then she's clearly lying.

Edited to add two words before everyone jumps on my ass. Outa here now.

 

[Spymaster]

1. Yes, she supposedly had her husband with her. That makes the story less plausible, not more. How many fathers-to-be would join their heavily-pregnant wife in swigging vodka from the bottle on the tube? And how did Boswell know it was her husband anyway?

2. "Downing" means finishing. There is no way that two people, no matter how alcoholic, could down a magnum of Smirnoff Ice between Elephant and Bank, a journey of under ten minutes. That is impossible.

When she says a "magnum" she means one of those large bottles, which is 700ml. Smirnoff Ice isn't sold in true magnum bottles. So it's slightly less than a wine bottle of an alcopop which is less than 5% abv. That's not particularly implausible.

 

[phildwyer]

Now with added, "You're lying to make Brexit voters look bad, we're not racists, we keep telling you we're not racists

It's not the personal feelings of the Brexiters that matters. But it's a deliberate distortion of the issue to suggest that the vote for Brexit was racist. A distortion that is being pushed by the media, which is outraged at the defiance the people have shown to their rulers' will. They hope to brand all Brexiters as racist as part of their desperate attempt to overturn the public's verdict. The truth however is that many radicals and progressives voted Leave, and there are plenty of good radical and progressive reasons for them to have done so.

Not to say that some racists didn't vote Brexit, I'm sure they did, just as I'm sure that some racists voted to Remain. If however you try to pretend that racism was the main reason for the Brexit victory, then I'm afraid you're insulting and patronizing the British public.

 

[CRI]

So let's be clear, please tell us who on this thread is

1. denying that this incident reported by PB happened
2. minimising its significance or effects
   
3. blaming her for it happening

and then explain how you can justify the statement I've highlighted

Micro scrutiny, yeah, like if I gave up my day wading through the thread to find the stuff you insist I should, it would make any difference. Blah.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I hope this is made up, I pray this is made up.

Fucking hell.


edit: Not as angry now, its an old front page. I'm still willing to endorse shoving this man off a cliff though.

 

[CRI]

It's not the personal feelings of the Brexiters that matters. But it's a deliberate distortion of the issue to suggest that the vote for Brexit was racist. A distortion that is being pushed by the media, which is outraged at the defiance the people have shown to their rulers' will. They hope to brand all Brexiters as racist as part of their desperate attempt to overturn the public's verdict. The truth however is that many radicals and progressives voted Leave, and there are plenty of good radical and progressive reasons for them to have done so.

Not to say that some racists didn't vote Brexit, I'm sure they did, just as I'm sure that some racists voted to Remain. If however you try to pretend that racism was the main reason for the Brexit victory, then I'm afraid you're insulting and patronizing the British public.

Sunshine, it's not all about you.

 

[phildwyer]

Sunshine, it's not all about you.

Which is why I began my post thus:

It's not the personal feelings of the Brexiters that matters.

And then went on to explain that my objection is to the inference that racism was the main motive for the Leave vote. That inference shows a complete contempt for the British public, as well as a willful refusal to examine the real, perfectly sensible, reasons for the vote.

 

[J Ed]

She says she was a victim of abuse, but if it were true, she should have described the incident accurately, using no words could be viewed as emotional or exaggerated (and heaven forbid if she described any measurements or types of alcohol wrong.) I mean if her recall of the (distressing) incident isn't perfect, then she's clearly lying.

Edited to add two words before everyone jumps on my ass. Outa here now.

Errr... I assume that the disputing the size of the bottle thing here is aimed at me which I find a bit confusing since if anything what I was saying added credibility to the original account.

 

[CRI]

It's not the personal feelings of the Brexiters that matters. But it's a deliberate distortion of the issue to suggest that the vote for Brexit was racist. A distortion that is being pushed by the media, which is outraged at the defiance the people have shown to their rulers' will. They hope to brand all Brexiters as racist as part of their desperate attempt to overturn the public's verdict. The truth however is that many radicals and progressives voted Leave, and there are plenty of good radical and progressive reasons for them to have done so.

Not to say that some racists didn't vote Brexit, I'm sure they did, just as I'm sure that some racists voted to Remain. If however you try to pretend that racism was the main reason for the Brexit victory, then I'm afraid you're insulting and patronizing the British public.

"it's a deliberate distortion of the issue to suggest that the vote for Brexit was racist"

Once and for all, saying that a massive part of the Brexit campaign was racist is NOT the same as saying everyone who voted for Brexit was racist. How folks who voted out who weren't racist squared that with their consciences was up to them. Why they aren't robustly condemning the racist incidents, and the strong racist elements of the campaign is what I find apalling.

"not to say that some racists didn't vote Brexit . . ."

Fuck me, understatement of the year.

I'm off to cuddle some furry animals.

 

[two sheds]

Errr... I assume that the disputing the size of the bottle thing here is aimed at me which I find a bit confusing since if anything what I was saying added credibility to the original account.

No, don't think so. She was quoting me and I was quoting mr dwyer.

 

[two sheds]

If however you try to pretend that racism was the main reason for the Brexit victory, then I'm afraid you're insulting and patronizing the British public.

Indeed. Similar to trying to pretend that weak minded liberals were the main reason for the Remain vote.

(not saying you've done this)

 

[andysays]

Micro scrutiny, yeah, like if I gave up my day wading through the thread to find the stuff you insist I should, it would make any difference. Blah.

I'm not "insisting" on anything, I'm just inviting to back up your claim, which strikes me as ridiculous.

That fact that you are unable to mention the name of even one poster who you think has done any of those things suggests to me that you can't back it up

 

[Pickman's model]

1. Yes, she supposedly had her husband with her. That makes the story less plausible, not more. How many fathers-to-be would join their heavily-pregnant wife in swigging vodka from the bottle on the tube? And how did Boswell know it was her husband anyway?

2. "Downing" means finishing. There is no way that two people, no matter how alcoholic, could down a magnum of Smirnoff Ice between Elephant and Bank, a journey of under ten minutes. That is impossible.

It's not impossible to drink vodka that fast although it is ime very unlikely. If it's an alcopop such speedy drinking would be swiftly followed by vomiting in many cases.

 

[Whagwan]

Well, one thing I didn't expect to read this morning was two pages on the mechanics of drinking and available retail volumes of Smirnoff Ice.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, one thing I didn't expect to read this morning was two pages on the mechanics of drinking and available retail volumes of Smirnoff Ice.

Maybe they had a magnum lolly and a bottle of Smirnoff ice

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, I know what Smirnoff Ice is. Do you know what a magnum is? It's about four pints. The journey between Elephant and Bank takes five minutes. So you'd have to drink almost a pint a minute, of one of the most disgusting drinks known to humanity, on a crowded tube, while heavily pregnant.

Are you a betting man by any chance?

A magnum traditionally a bottle of champagne of a volume of 1.5 litres, so a tad under 3 pints, a pint being 568 ml

 

[ska invita]

edit: Not as angry now, its an old front page. I'm still willing to endorse shoving this man off a cliff though.

That story its barely a year old and its absolutely a part of the xenophobic agenda that was part of their Leave campaign. Id stay angry

Me 2002 member. Just relating my experiences. Sometimes getting help. Shocked at the attitude of some people here.

the way this thread has read to me in the last few days is Anju is upset about a high level of racist attacks post-exit including against a family member - and tried their best to argue their corner and they've been attacked and dismissed in a whole range of ways for doing so. I've seen zero sympathy or compassion for that experience from some posters for that, just aggression. For the record Ive found it shameful.

Id like to get involved in the thread but am trying to take a break from it for health reasons (namely it boils my piss too much).

And please stop posting about FUCKING SMIRNOFF ICE.

 

[andysays]

Maybe they had a magnum lolly and a bottle of Smirnoff ice

I reckon she was eating a Magnum and drinking (a standard sized bottle of) Smirnoff Ice...

Do keep up

 

[Treacle Toes]

1. Yes, she supposedly had her husband with her. That makes the story less plausible, not more. How many fathers-to-be would join their heavily-pregnant wife in swigging vodka from the bottle on the tube? And how did Boswell know it was her husband anyway?

It's an alcopop and yes I have seen the partners of pregnant women with them when they have been drinking.

2. "Downing" means finishing. There is no way that two people, no matter how alcoholic, could down a magnum of Smirnoff Ice between Elephant and Bank, a journey of under ten minutes. That is impossible.

Downing doesn't always describe finishing a drink. It can also mean drinking/quickly. Given that we are talking about a sugary alcopop/fizzy drink it is also entirely possible for two adults to be doing this.

So again, you have fuck all evidence to back up your argument that she was lying.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ah ha the plot thickens. Further complicating this, you cannot actually buy a magnum of Smirnoff Ice. The largest amount you can buy is a 70cl bottle and yes (sadly) I could easily drink that in five minutes.

Could she have meant 'a large bottle' when she used the term 'magnum'? Yes she could have.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sunshine, it's not all about you.

Of course it is. Every fucking thread without fail ends up being about him.

 

[ska invita]

Could she have meant 'a large bottle' when she used the term 'magnum'? Yes she could have.

Clearly. And please lets leave this bottle thing there.

 

[Treacle Toes]

tbf none of them have come with the prose filled with classism that this one did. Not saying that I don't believe this one, judging by events over the past seven days it's very believable regardless of context and even if it isn't true I am sure that hundreds of similar incidents we don't know about have happened.

You don't like the way she looked down her nose and was judgemental about someone who had just called her a nigger?

 

[ska invita]

You don't like the way she looked down her nose and was judgemental about someone who had just called her a nigger?

thats the way it read to me - she had her back up. AS you would

 

[Treacle Toes]

Scrolling down her wall makes it look like she might have a bit of an agenda.


Nice try though. Why aren't some black people allowed to tell porkies? You racist!

What agenda is that then?

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