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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

smokedout said:
Police seem to be suggesting the spike happened in the week before and the week after the vote, suggesting the referendum itself, rather than the result, might have been the main factor
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they're not suggesting that, that is simply when the figures were collected.

That anyone is trying to deny that there has been a definite jump in (relatively mild) racist attacks post-referndum, seems just bizarre.
 
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belboid said:
they're not suggesting that, that is simply when the figures were collected.

That anyone is trying to deny that there has been a definite jump in (relatively mild) racist attacks post-referndum, seems just bizarre.
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Who's denying anything, that's what the figures say. You're right that they don't break the result down week by week - I can see two possible reasons for that, the first being that there is little difference between the week's totals, or the second that they are deliberately playing down post-Brexit effects.

The crime survey results will give a more accurate picture. not out until next May though
 
smokedout said:
You're right that they don't break the result down week by week - I can see two possible reasons for that, the first being that there is little difference between the week's totals, or the second that they are deliberately playing down post-Brexit effects.
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Or simply because that isn't how the figure are collected. No need to read any conspiracies into it.
 
Figures are collected monthly and published annually as far as I'm aware. This was a special request from the NPCC in response to the rise in reports from the True Vision website. As I said it's unclear why they haven't broken it down into weekly totals, or have used the period both before and after the vote, but they know the weekly totals because they quote a daily figure:
At the peak in offending on the June 25 2016, 289 offences occurred across the UK. Reassuringly, since this point there has been a marked decrease in reports but weekly returns will continue to be collated to monitor the situation until further reductions are seen.
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Hate crime undermines the diversity and tolerance we should instead be celebrating.
 
The39thStep said:
Completely agree , a jump in relatively mild racist incidents but not the Dawn of the fourth reich.
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i would have thought a more felicitous turn of phrase might be 'less severe' instead of milder, which i suppose it is compared to being e.g. burned alive in rostock or stabbed to death in a park, but the effect it may have on the recipient of these malign attentions may be very severe and unlikely to be mild.
 
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ViolentPanda said:
It's not the "mildness" of the incidents that matters (and "mildness" is a disputable term), it's the fact of raised prevalence and frequency.
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Not to mention the prevailing narrative which, to those on the receiving end of even "mild' racism, can only make their fear and anxiety worse.
 
CRI said:
Minimise. Deny. Blame.
Rinse. Repeat.

:facepalm:
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Because, when you look at the dawn of the third Reich, it started with "relatively mild racist incidents" which quickly enough became normalised so that by the time Kristallnacht happened, most didn't really think that smashing up synagogues and Jewish businesses was that out of order.

The post-referendum jump in attacks and incidents is exactly the kind of thing that should be making anyone who cares about violence and racism concerned.
 
existentialist said:
Because, when you look at the dawn of the third Reich, it started with "relatively mild racist incidents" which quickly enough became normalised so that by the time Kristallnacht happened, most didn't really think that smashing up synagogues and Jewish businesses was that out of order.

The post-referendum jump in attacks and incidents is exactly the kind of thing that should be making anyone who cares about violence and racism concerned.
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If I'm honest I was more concerned about a month ago when people were trying to normalise the idea of political assassination
 
Pickman's model said:
i would have thought a more felicitous turn of phrase might be 'less severe' instead of milder, which i suppose it is compared to being e.g. burned alive in rostock or stabbed to death in a park, but the effect it may have on the recipient of these malign attentions may be very severe and unlikely to be mild.
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I was quoting Belboid . Any incident is an unwarranted and unpleasant experience .
 
existentialist said:
Because, when you look at the dawn of the third Reich, it started with "relatively mild racist incidents" which quickly enough became normalised so that by the time Kristallnacht happened, most didn't really think that smashing up synagogues and Jewish businesses was that out of order.

The post-referendum jump in attacks and incidents is exactly the kind of thing that should be making anyone who cares about violence and racism concerned.
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Get a grip.
 
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