People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[butchersapron]

This ^ Common courtesy, surely.

From what I can see, he's got hundreds of followers, big in anti-fracking, anti-trident, that sort of stuff. He knows how social media works. He's not just your uncle from Swansea who forwards football memes and selfies from the pub once in a while.

If he found it on an anonymous message board and his main motive was to share a good idea for tackling racism, why not say you just found it. Why claim it as your own - adding a couple lines at the top to "customise" it even? Now he's been caught out, why hasn't he put something on his page saying sorry at least? Methinks he likes the kudos of taking credit for this idea that's become super popular - with bonus story painting him as a white knight saving a damsel in distress (Can you say "white saviour?")

White folks: Nicking stuff from black, brown, yellow and red folks and taking credit for it for, well, forever.

You think he did this because he's white and because the original poster isn't then?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I detest the concept of an 'ally'. It implies that we're in different groups due in this instance to race. Shit consequences of identity politics.

And notice how an ally is by definition a fleeting and temporary thing. Alliances forged and broken to suit whatever activist campaign happens to be in fashion.

Fuck that! That's not anti-racism. Its taking a load of divisive and reactionary instincts and dressing them up as progressive.

 

[Pickman's model]

This ^ Common courtesy, surely.

From what I can see, he's got hundreds of followers, big in anti-fracking, anti-trident, that sort of stuff. He knows how social media works. He's not just your uncle from Swansea who forwards football memes and selfies from the pub once in a while.

If he found it on an anonymous message board and his main motive was to share a good idea for tackling racism, why not say you just found it. Why claim it as your own - adding a couple lines at the top to "customise" it even? Now he's been caught out, why hasn't he put something on his page saying sorry at least? Methinks he likes the kudos of taking credit for this idea that's become super popular - with bonus story painting him as a white knight saving a damsel in distress (Can you say "white saviour?")

White folks: Nicking stuff from black, brown, yellow and red folks and taking credit for it for, well, forever.

The word you seek is plagiarism, presenting others' ideas as your own.

 

[Treacle Toes]

He COULD have shared her post, at least attributing the experience and idea to her. He could have contacted her, said he liked it, asked if he could share it with his mahoosive following and that he would give her credit. It's not like that's a hard thing to do. From the discussion on her timeline, she DID want the post to be shared more widely. She's not happy that some white guy snatched her words verbatim, passed them off as his own and hasn't even apologised.

To be fair, when I read it, it was hard to match the picture of the guy in the icon with the story of talking to the young Qatari woman. Just seemed a bit creepy. Now it makes sense why.

He knew what he was doing. He was happy to shit on a young brown woman's head for ally cookies, for a bloated ego, maybe a few journo gigs, I dunno. If he genuinely gives a shit about racism, he wouldn't have pulled this stunt.

When questioned his response was:

Paul O'Connor A grammatical error (ie lack of quotation marks) is the issue. I thought it was obvious I was quoting someone else but I can see how the problem arose.

If the poke had contacted me first this wouldn't have become such an enflamed issue. Uditi has been credited now both in the Poke and my posting.

5 · 9 July at 08:02

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Bollocks. Maybe if you'd never used social media before that would sound convincing.

 

[CRI]

I detest the concept of an 'ally'. It implies that we're in different groups due in this instance to race. Shit consequences of identity politics.

Don't really care about the semantics, but do think folk who have more status/privilege/connections/power/etc. should stick up for those with less. Like it or not, one of the big factors in the "who has more and who has less" stakes is race.

Sharing someone else's post on fb is much easier/less effort than to C&P and attribute their post/words as your own. He did that deliberately.

Absolutely. Flatly don't accept this was just an oversight or "rookie mistake". He knew what he was doing, maybe didn't think he'd get caught out.

You think he did this because he's white and because the original poster isn't then?

I don't think he deliberately looked for interesting content from BAME folks to steal. Probably would have nicked it regardless of the author, especially if he thought they were such small fish they'd never find out. I suspect he thought he was doing a good thing to "fight racism," by using his big platform to make the hot idea go viral instead of hidden away on some obscure Facebook profile.

Sure, but why not use your influence to signal-boost the Indian woman who wrote the piece? Why erase her experience and try passing it off as your own. If he really gave two shits about racism, he'd realise his action actually CONTRIBUTES to institutional racism. His response since being caught out pretty well shows he doesn't give even one shit.

And notice how an ally is by definition a fleeting and temporary thing. Alliances forged and broken to suit whatever activist campaign happens to be in fashion.

Fuck that! That's not anti-racism. Its taking a load of divisive and reactionary instincts and dressing them up as progressive.

Oh yes, it's those silly Black folks being divisive and reactionary again. We should all be in this together, right? #AllLivesMatter

The word you seek is plagiarism, presenting others' ideas as your own.

Absolutely, but I think online content, especially on social media, makes getting redress for plagiarism and even copyright infringement nigh on impossible.

When questioned his response was:

Yes, feeble response. The original author said on her page that when she challenged, he said something like it was "ok" that he took credit because he's willing to take the flak for getting found out. But, a bit like the salacious tabloid headline with the 1 inch retraction on page 30 a week later, it's his version that will keep being circulated and his white saviour back that will keep being patted.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh yes, it's those silly Black folks being divisive and reactionary again. We should all be in this together, right? #AllLivesMatter

Yeah because all black people go around talking about 'allies', don't they? Never white middle class sociology students with childish politics. I think you need to get off FaceBook and speak to some normal people.

 

[Pickman's model]

I detest the concept of an 'ally'. It implies that we're in different groups due in this instance to race. Shit consequences of identity politics.

We are all in a load of different groups due to a range of er differences eg public sector, private sector, full time, part time, union members, not in a union: not to mention men, women, black, white, asian etc. These differences not wholly insuperable tho.

 

[purenarcotic]

C4 Dispatches on racism in Britain now

 

[Treacle Toes]

C4 Dispatches on racism in Britain now

Dispatches - On Demand - All 4

 

[ska invita]

Is it worth watching?

Btw I think what's happening because of exit is more aggressive nationalism/xenophobia than racism,though of course theres plenty racism out there too... And they over lap almost exactly

 

[Treacle Toes]

It dips in and out, Pre/post of Brexit... worth a watch but not a definitive post Brexit analysis of the situation.

 

[campanula]

My daughter-in-law and her mum have both been on the end of nasty comments this past couple of weeks (they are Malaysian). Snickering, teens chanting Ting Tong Chop Suey and such...my d-i-l is quite unequivocal that it is a direct response to Brexit...but she is uncertain what aspects of Brexit has triggered this. She also is infinitely more tolerant of it than I would be (although she is a nursery nurse so I guess patience and empathy comes with the territory). It is as though these youngsters have been given permission to add casual racism to their repertoire of teenage belligerence.

 

[The39thStep]

Reading this thread caused me to worry a bit. Have had a Portuguese neighbour over here since Wednesday , speaks very little English and has walked around in Portugal shirt, scarf and carrying a flag .everyone loves him .

 

[The39thStep]

How EU countries feel about refugee crisis

@GoodwinMJ: As if the EU doesn't have enough to worry about... new data on public attitudes to the #RefugeeCrisis Matthew Goodwin on Twitter

 

[Gramsci]

I was on the bus to Brixton last weekend. The couple behind me were talking of a friend (outside London ) who had been punched in the face by a couple of youths. They heard him speaking with an accent. They told him to go back to where he came from. This was just after Brexit vote. They were shocked as he had been living in UK for 15 years and never had anything like this before. Reported to Police who were looking at CCTV to identify those who did it.

 

[The39thStep]

I thought London was more tolerant because it voted remain ?

 

[ska invita]

I thought London was more tolerant because it voted remain ?

London didn't vote remain. A percentage of people did. A few less voted exit. Many didn't vote at all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I thought London was more tolerant because it voted remain ?

Possibly rather the opposite - many voted remain at least partly because they feared this would happen.

 

[The39thStep]

London didn't vote remain. A percentage of people did. A few less voted exit. Many didn't vote at all.

But it is more tolerant ?

 

[The39thStep]

Possibly rather the opposite - many voted remain at least partly because they feared this would happen.

What evidence have you got for this latest theory?

 

[ska invita]

But it is more tolerant ?

You can't talk about London as if its a person. Its got 8 milllion people living in it

 

[The39thStep]

You can't talk about London as if its a person. Its got 8 milllion people living in it

I was alluding to another posters theory of tolerance . Tbf it was the inmate tolerance by inner Londoners

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What evidence have you got for this latest theory?

You're looking for significance in London's very heavy remain vote. I'm giving you an idea - because the fact that a brexit vote might encourage racists was more of a factor in the vote than elsewhere. As evidence, working class black people voting remain in their majority. It's not out love for Europe or feeling particularly European.

 

[The39thStep]

You're looking for significance in London's very heavy remain vote. I'm giving you an idea - because the fact that a brexit vote might encourage racists was more of a factor in the vote than elsewhere. As evidence, working class black people voting remain in their majority. It's not out love for Europe or feeling particularly European.

Yes an idea. Where is your evidence that black working class people voted remain as a leave vote would encourage racists

 

[ska invita]

Is there a point to all this? looks a lot like trolling a serious thread

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes an idea. Where is your evidence that black working class people voted remain as a leave vote would encourage racists

My only other evidence is anecdotal, I'm afraid, from living in a bit of London that voted very heavily remain. The fears that this would happen existed before the vote.

 

[smokedout]

Possibly rather the opposite - many voted remain at least partly because they feared this would happen.

Police seem to be suggesting the spike happened in the week before and the week after the vote, suggesting the referendum itself, rather than the result, might have been the main factor

 

[Pickman's model]

My only other evidence is anecdotal, I'm afraid, from living in a bit of London that voted very heavily remain. The fears that this would happen existed before the vote.

yeh cos sudden spikes in racism have never been known before. it's like evil may day never happened.

 

[ska invita]

Police seem to be suggesting the spike happened in the week before and the week after the vote, suggesting the referendum itself, rather than the result, might have been the main factor

Of course the whole campaign was a factor...years of migrant blaming are a factor and it came to a head with a consciously xenophobic campaign.

But the result is also clearly a factor...you cant feel all empowered and tell people to pack their bags cos they're getting kicked out unless leave won.