Opposition to Islam is not Racism.

[Nigel]

So if I say Muslim Theocrats shouldn't hang poofs, I'm being a Crusader?

No, but it was'nt that long ago when gay people were being persecuted and, in the name of modern psychiatry being 'tortured', in the west.

Hysteria and ignorance around AIDS/HIV probably leads to as much persecution against gay and lesbian people outside of the middle east and other areas than Mad Mullahs preaching hate. Homosexuality has been culturally accaptable in many Muslim countries such as Morroco and other areas of North Africa, possibly Western Africa, Indian Subcontinent, South East Asia. Religous funadmentalism recentely has had a large impact and should be attacked in all its manifestations.

 

[exosculate]

To attack Islam is not just to attack bigotry, barbarity and a reactionary world outlook followed by a few, but on the development on whole civilisations, claiming that western civilisation( which practices and has supported many things just as,and maybe more negative than Islamic) as being superior.

Liberal democracies with all their faults are superior, you need to take your blinkers off mate!

 

[danny la rouge]

No, but it was'nt that long ago when gay people were being persecuted and, in the name of modern psychiatry being 'tortured', in the west.

Of course. So should I only be against persecution in the country I was born in?

 

[Nigel]

Liberal democracies with all their faults are superior, you need to take your blinkers off mate!

Depends from where you're standing sonny

 

[Nigel]

Of course. So should I only be against persecution in the country I was born in?

Where have I said that.#
Support for people fighting for social justice and against oppression is admirable.
However if you went somewhere, parachuted in without any suppoert from local communities, acted like some missionary patronising and being condisending to people in that environement, with a hidden agenda or supported by those with a hidden agenda then no.

 

[audiotech]

I was called a nazi a year back for telling a SWP person I was anti Islam.To alot on the left not anachist but socialists anti islam is regarded as racism.

These not anarchists then?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, all 40 000 of them are anarchists.

 

[audiotech]

Yes, all 40 000 of them are anarchists.

That vid focuses on Antifa - Anarchists yes?

 

[butchersapron]

No. Fucking hell. (And anti-fa in that video just means anti-facist.)

 

[audiotech]

No. Fucking hell. (And anti-fa in that video just means anti-facist.)

Most on that march belong to autonomous anarchist collectives who make up the bulk of Antifa.

 

[butchersapron]

No. Do you know much about german 'autonomous'/autonomen politics?

And i've just said antifa, as used in the title of that video doesn't refer to a membership organisation.

 

[danny la rouge]

Where have I said that.#
Support for people fighting for social justice and against oppression is admirable.
However if you went somewhere, parachuted in without any suppoert from local communities, acted like some missionary patronising and being condisending to people in that environement, with a hidden agenda or supported by those with a hidden agenda then no.

And where have I said that?

 

[Nigel]

And where have I said that?

Nowhere, I was just pointing out the difference between two different approaches.#
I would'nt oppose, or be against (hardly) anyone from their right to express their personal opinions to anyone else, as the only progression can come is through democratic/democratic style structures which have roots, existed & exist in many peoples cultures, societies & civilisations.

 

[phildwyer]

Are you a Twotskyite like Nigel ?

I'm as much of a Trotskyite as you are a Muslim.

 

[danny la rouge]

Nowhere, I was just pointing out the difference between two different approaches.

So, why quote me to do it?

You're just saying "don't be patronising". Fine. Good advice.

 

[audiotech]

No. Do you know much about german 'autonomous'/autonomen politics?

And i've just said antifa, as used in the title of that video doesn't refer to a membership organisation.

I know enough about Antifa in Germany to understand that most who are under the umbrella 'Antifa' adhere to some notion of anarchist autonomous politics.

 

[butchersapron]

I know enough about Antifa in Germany to understand that most who are under the umbrella 'Antifa' adhere to some notion of anarchist autonomous politics.

But, for the 3rd time, antifa in the video doesn't refer to the memberhsip group. And most autonomen aren't/weren't anarchists, they were/are a horrible mix of middle class guilt, 3rd worldism, stalinism and fetishism of violence as the ultimate rebellion - conservatism bascially.

 

[audiotech]

double

 

[audiotech]

But, for the 3rd time, antifa in the video doesn't refer to the memberhsip group. And most autonomen aren't/weren't anarchists, they were/are a horrible mix of middle class guilt, 3rd worldism, stalinism and fetishism of violence as the ultimate rebellion - conservatism bascially.

So are you saying the vid doesn't have any of the 'antifa' membership group featured in it and there are no anarchists either involved in organising or marching on this demo?

 

[butchersapron]

No, i've not argued anything like that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The problem here is not necessarily religous outlook, which incorporates cultural, scientific, philosophical world outlooks

Arse about face. Religion is part of culture, not vice versa.

which have an impact on the developments of civilisations and other groupings(for a better word) of peoples, but the birth and growth of fundamentalism from the late 19th Century onwards.

Religious fundamentalisms have existed for as long as religions have

Zionism(Herschell brand) is seen as the first...

Herzl, not Herschell.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Eh?

Read it through, then reverse every point he's made and you'll end up with at least a semi-understandable post.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, he's a Scientologist like Tom Cruise.

Nigel a Trot? Only a deluded twat like Al K could believe that.

You only have to read Nigel's posts to know that (even though his tagline proclaims him a "Working Class Socialist") he's a reactionary right-of-centre shitehawk with less right to existence than a silverfish.

 

[danny la rouge]

a reactionary right-of-centre shitehawk with less right to existence than a silverfish.

So...Trot.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I was called a nazi a year back for telling a SWP person I was anti Islam.To alot on the left not anachist but socialists anti islam is regarded as racism.

Well, you're obviously a wrong'un.

After all, you've just admitted that you willingly conversed with a Swappie, ffs!

 

[ViolentPanda]

So...Trot.

Nah, a Trot is a "...reactionary right-of-centre shitehawk with no right to life, and all the appeal of a three day-dead tramp".

 

[danny la rouge]

Nah, a Trot is a "...reactionary right-of-centre shitehawk with no right to life, and all the appeal of a three day-dead tramp".

Point taken. Accusation withdrawn.

 

[durruti02]

And most autonomen aren't/weren't anarchists, they were/are a horrible mix of middle class guilt, 3rd worldism, stalinism and fetishism of violence as the ultimate rebellion - conservatism bascially.

spot on butchers ..

 

[dennisr]

So...Trot.

anarchist? - which he claimed to be for quite a long while

 

[audiotech]

No, i've not argued anything like that.

Anyway, thanks for the detail.