Octopus farming is ‘unethical and a threat to the food chain’
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farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I bet they're bright enough to work out how to factory farm humans. They'd have an endless supply of food if they did, and could take over the world.
Octokind would be the dominant species on Earth.
rekil
to menny cranks
Their own thing is generally cannibalism, and for males, dying after one shag. Mimic octopuses are fantastic creatures tbf.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Let's not forget that octopuses are a danger on the roads too... Crash driver 'swerved to avoid octopus'
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
By the seagulls or octopuses? They could work together - the gulls driving hapless humans to the sea so the octopuses can attack and eat them.
Seagulls. Have you ever seen the way they look at you? They're very angry birds.
Already been proposed:
Swedish Behaviourist Suggests Cannibalism to Combat Climate Change
Swedish behavioural scientist Magnus Söderlund has suggested that eating other people after they die could be a means of combatting climate change.
The scientist mentioned the possibility of cannibalism during a broadcast on Swedish television channel TV4 this week about a fair in Stockholm regarding “food of the future”.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I grok that.
Dieselpunk2000
Well-Known Member
When I saw the thread title, I had a vivid mental image of an Octopus driving a tractor and shouting 'GET ORFF MOI LAAAAAAND!"
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
They look at us with care and affection - they are beautiful birds.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
It solves the problem of who gets a leg at Sunday dinner.Poor octopuses.
Why can't people just eat some spuds, ffs.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Some are more animal than human.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
This is bollocks. The bit about humans not being plant eaters.
Amylase is the enzyme in saliva that break down starch. Starch is in roots and grains and fruits, not meat.
Our teeth have flat surfaces, which are better suited for grinding cellulose (i.e. plants) than tearing flesh. Our jaws move side to side, again for grinding rather the tearing: that’s plants not flesh.
Our gut is very long, another thing we have in common with plant eaters, unlike carnivores who have short guts.
We cannot make Vitamin C, we take it from our diet. This is yet another basic difference between carnivores (who can make Vit C) and plant eaters ( who can’t).
The bacteria in our gut thrives on soluble fibre, which is found in plant diets, not meat.
There are so many indicators that we are plant eaters, from our anatomy and physiology to our behaviour and habits.
And all marrow is extremely nutritious, not only cow marrow.
Also, why so rude to Jennastan ? No need for that.
That sounds Greek too. A Latin purist would have insisted on Multipede or Octopede, I'd have thought.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Compared to obligate herbivores, our guts are short. Not as short as those of obligate carnivores, but somewhere in between. In other words we have the guts of omnivores.
Complicating this picture is the fact that cooking pre-dates anatomically modern humans, which has had an impact on our evolution. This can be most clearly seen in our teeth and jaws, which really aren't much good for eating raw stuff that hasn't evolved specifically to be eaten (such as fruits), or that which we haven't monkeyed with ourselves, such as all those plants we've domesticated and turned into big soft juicy parodies of their wild ancestors.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Octopi, although you will see it, is an over-correction based on a mistaken assumption of a Latin derivation. It really is best avoided and many style guides will forbid it outright. Octopodes, while correct as it's from Greek, is not particularly reader-friendly. Octopuses is generally the one to go for unless you want to say octopodes for effect.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't have a problem with eating octopus if it has been caught sustainably. Same as any other fish, really. In the wild, they form part of the diet of lots of other animals, and they live highly dangerous lives, given that they need to hunt themselves so they can't just stay hidden away - no doubt a strong evolutionary driver towards making them clever. If they're being caught sustainably, that just adds humans to the already long list of predators out to get them. I don't have a problem with that.
So the ethical consideration for me with catching them is simply whether or not that is reducing their numbers. And with farming them, the main ethical consideration for me would be, as other have said, the vast quantities of prey food that would need to be caught to feed them. It doesn't make much sense, energy-wise, to farm a predator like an octopus.
So the ethical consideration for me with catching them is simply whether or not that is reducing their numbers. And with farming them, the main ethical consideration for me would be, as other have said, the vast quantities of prey food that would need to be caught to feed them. It doesn't make much sense, energy-wise, to farm a predator like an octopus.
Yossarian
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"Created by mistakenly treating a Greek word like it was from Latin, popularised by people who incorrectly thought it was more correct than the existing word, and entered common usage despite the objections of linguists" seems like a pretty standard backstory for a word in the English language, tbf.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Marine Cephalapods are not fish.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
True. But that doesn't mean it has fully entered accepted usage. And it hasn't. As I said it's expressly forbidden in many publisher style guides. My advice to anyone writing about cephalopods would be to avoid it.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
It's rearing it's head again 
The world's first octopus farm - should it go ahead?
The world’s first commercial octopus farm is closer to becoming reality - but scientists are up in arms.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Books, not bombs
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It's rearing it's head again
The world's first octopus farm - should it go ahead?
The world’s first commercial octopus farm is closer to becoming reality - but scientists are up in arms.www.bbc.co.uk
Seems a bit unfair that they seem to be leapfrogging pigs in the sentience hierarchy, but they do have a rogueish charm.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Just don't tell it to battery chickens. On the R4 reports today, they said Koreans eat octopus, while they are still ALIVE
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I watched it happen in the 60s.
At one point there was a lorry load of fish going up the hill out of Mallaig every twenty minutes. Then, quite suddenly, there were no lorries.
If you ever go too Mallaig, look at the big houses on the hillside as you come down into the town, they were all built by trawler owners.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Just don't tell it to battery chickens. On the R4 reports today, they said Koreans eat octopus, while they are still ALIVE
Were it a choice between starving to death and eating octopus, it would be a close run thing.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, but that rogueish charm, eh?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Just don't tell it to battery chickens. On the R4 reports today, they said Koreans eat octopus, while they are still ALIVE
Yeah, maybe stop doing that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'm told a similar thing happens in japanJust don't tell it to battery chickens. On the R4 reports today, they said Koreans eat octopus, while they are still ALIVE
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