Looming Le Pen - French Election 2022
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The39thStep
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Same as with the presidential (essentially). If turnout is over 25% and you got over 50%, you're in. If either of those criteria aren't met the top two and any other who got over (iirr) 20% go through. This is (I presume) why Macron and the old right party should get far more seats than their first round vote indicates.
I'm not sure if I'm much clearer! is it done on a constituency basis rather than national vote?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yeah, 539 constituencies in France itself and 27 for
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
I vote in the UK colony
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
ohh, actually that is another separate category. 11 constituencies for french folk overseas - dubiously divided so they tend to split 9-2 for the right.
Yeah, they generally reckon London votes right due to all the banker types. The French folk I know here are left but guess they're not bankers
.I remember watching a French programme during the 2017 UK general election, where a politologue was trying to explain how the House of Commons comes to be. The hosts looked very perplexed.
countingtozero
Active Member
The top two and any further candidate whose vote is equal to or greater than 12,5% of the total on the register.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nationalise time...too fucking right
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
89 seats for the FN (up from 8 seats last time)
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
that has been the direction of travel for a while unfortunately, demagogic calling all the way, I'm just glad she didn't get the job in the last presidential election.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Macron's antifascism only goes one way
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
An excellent result for them.
Frankly I've always been surprised how well the NF/RN have managed to hold together and build under a electoral system that is designed against them, plenty of other parties have crumbled. This result is a big gain and puts them ahead of the UDC/LR group (mirroring the presidential election), so they are the main right party.
A good night for NUPES too, the question is now what happens next. Still at least some of Macron's attacks on workers may be held up/frustrated.
It was a serious defeat for the French centrists, a large part of whose vote has sheared off to the far right and the true left (whom our media typically insist upon mislabelling as far left).
The far right have gone from a handful of seats to nearly 90, whilst the true left have gained over 140 and become the main opposition. Both right and left can credibly claim these results as a success.
There are lessons to be learned here. The success of the left was built upon disparate groups, including the Greens, uniting under one banner. If only the left leaning parties and groups here would do the same we might achieve something.
Most of the far right here are voting Tory, and the Tories are nakedly appealing to these people in the hope of retaining their support, which is what their antediluvian culture wars and the Rwanda policy is all about.
As for France, Macron is now in a bind when it comes to the need to get legislation through. He has totally lost his majority and can only hope to get anything through with the support either of the left or the far right. When it comes to his war on the working class and planned attacks on welfare, he has no chance of winning support for that from the left so I fear he may try and do a deal with the far right.
ska invita
back on the other side
we dont have any in the UK
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The maths gives him a majority with the Republicans. I doubt he will do any deals with National Rally. I was hoping for more from NUPES tbh. Good that Macron has lost his majority, but other than that, I don't see this as a particularly encouraging result.
It's a suggestion that imagines the Lib Dems are left leaning (lol)
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There are indeed lessons be learned. Mainly that once a left overwhelmingly led by the middle class decides that it can usher in socialism through a strategy of appealing to liberals, those in the cities and young educated people that the millions of working class people it writes off/overlooks/condemns will vote for someone else or won't vote at all.
Precisely, which parties/groups do you envisage forming a similar left alliance in the UK by the way?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Saw a good little story about a candidate for NUPES , a chambermaid who led a successful strike at the hotel she worked at and won her seat aginst Macrons Minister for Sport.
The Greens and TUSC working together for a start, perhaps Galloway's lot too if his ego can handle it, along with the Socialist party. Ideally, Corbyn himself and others currently on the Labour left could come on board.
But alas such are the divisions and splinters on the left that I am not optimistic, though I hope something can be worked out.
what would The Greens gain from an electoral alliance with parties which rarely make it into triple figures?
Nonsense. There is a Socialist party, there is TUSC, there are the Greens who at national politics level tend to have policies very similar to Labour's 2017 manifesto. There is Galloway's lot.
Because these parties mostly take votes the Greens would get otherwise. And they do not do as badly as you claim everywhere. Where they do do that badly and the Greens do much better, the latter would benefit from them standing aside and helping the Greens.
But I note the naysayers already saying we cannot do what the French left has done, or that doing so is pointless.
ska invita
back on the other side
add them all together and what would you have> a party fractionally bigger than the greens are now
Bollocks! I was not thinking of them. But the various left wing splinter groups - the Socialist party, TUSC, the Workers' party - along with the Greens.
The French left seem capable of doing it but all we get here it seems is a denial of the left's existence or an assumption that the Limp Dims must be who is being talked about, apparently by people whose mindsets are stuck in a Westminster bubble. Westminster is the obstacle, not the only viable solution. We need to build back a true progressive left in this country and unity is the only answer.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
In France, the Greens, Socialists, Communists, etc, only came together with LFI after LFI had proven itself more popular than all of them put together.
An equivalent to La France Insoumise would have to emerge before a French-style left alliance could be a meaningful thing. NUPES didn't come out of nowhere. First, the old Socialist party had to be eclipsed.
Not saying it can't happen, but we are nowhere near that right now.
An equivalent to La France Insoumise would have to emerge before a French-style left alliance could be a meaningful thing. NUPES didn't come out of nowhere. First, the old Socialist party had to be eclipsed.
Not saying it can't happen, but we are nowhere near that right now.
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