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Local Elections (not that London) 2024

Orang Utan said:
Looks like Reform are doing better than expected in Sunderland, polling 32% in one ward :(
Too early to be coming to any conclusions, but this pessimist is pessimissing
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That's too high, a share in the early teens gives the Tories enough of a headache, at that sort of level they are likely to start picking up council seats, which is unsettling.
 
moochedit said:
Yeah the flip side of them splitting/taking the tories votes is sunak decides he needs to move further right :(
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That's the Tories' problem, move further to the right in an attempt to win back Reform voters, and they will start losing more moderate voters, and GEs are won in the centre ground.

They are between a rock and a hard place, and in a proper pickle.
 
Our only election was the PCC - West Mercia - Reform wasn't on the ballot, which I found surprising the brexity nature of places like Kidderminster, but instead we had an English Democrats candidate.

It'll be interesting to see how that creature does, and how their vote interacts with the incumbent Tory vote.
 
cupid_stunt said:
That's too high, a share in the early teens gives the Tories enough of a headache, at that sort of level they are likely to start picking up council seats, which is unsettling.
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You can’t expect the Reform vote to be distributed evenly, though. There will always be some councillors from revolting parties, it’s only a concern if they win control of councils.
 
Silas Loom said:
You can’t expect the Reform vote to be distributed evenly, though. There will always be some councillors from revolting parties, it’s only a concern if they win control of councils.
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I disagree, of course taking control of a council is a bigger problem, but just winning a handful of seats on a council gives them a level of support, feet on the ground, etc, to build and grow.
 
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cupid_stunt said:
I disagree, of course taking control of a council is a bigger problem, but just winning a handful of seats on a council gives them a level of support, feet on the ground, etc, to build and grow.
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The BNP had 50 councillors at one point. They didn’t turn up for meetings or do any actual committee work, and failed to build any personal support, even given the volatility of the angry racist arsehole vote.
 
Don't know about the reasons behind the Newcastle voting patterns, live too far away now.
But local issues may have had an affect.

However, waiting for the Northumbria PCC / NE Mayoral results. Due lunchtime-ish today.
Also watching for the PCC results in other places, especially Warwickshire.
 
Silas Loom said:
The BNP had 50 councillors at one point. They didn’t turn up for meetings or do any actual committee work, and failed to build any personal support, even given the volatility of the angry racist arsehole vote.
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The BNP was growing their number of councilors over a number of years, peaking at 55 in 2007, and even won 3 seats on county councils in 2009 for the first time, and then it started to go south, because of infighting and resignations over Griffins' leadership, then he appeared on Question Time in October that year, and shot himself in the foot, and the BNP started falling apart. Their downfall was of their own making. Of course, the raise of UKIP, seen as a more respectable choice for many, didn't help.

Reform whilst right of the Tories, are not as far-right as the BNP and don't carry the same level of baggage. They are far more professional at running a party machine, an example being how often Tice compares in news compared to how little Griffins did.

The model of growing local support is demonstrated by the likes of the LibDems and Greens, and unless Reform implodes like the BNP did, they have the chance of
 
cupid_stunt said:
The BNP was growing their number of councilors over a number of years, peaking at 55 in 2007, and even won 3 seats on county councils in 2009 for the first time, and then it started to go south, because of infighting and resignations over Griffins' leadership, then he appeared on Question Time in October that year, and shot himself in the foot, and the BNP started falling apart. Their downfall was of their own making. Of course, the raise of UKIP, seen as a more respectable choice for many, didn't help.

Reform whilst right of the Tories, are not as far-right as the BNP and don't carry the same level of baggage. They are far more professional at running a party machine, an example being how often Tice compares in news compared to how little Griffins did.

The model of growing local support is demonstrated by the likes of the LibDems and Greens, and unless Reform implodes like the BNP did, they have the chance of
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Reform is still just a start-up private company which is only interested in media attention and kidnapping the Conservative party. It doesn’t have a party machine like the LDs or Greens do.

This minor argument aside, I don’t see much cause for joy in their vote share. I’d rather see a unified right soundly beaten.
 
I voted for Alliance For Green Socialism in the council ellections. I usually vote for them, and it's the same guy each time. Usually gets around 100 votes :guy:

For WY Mayor, I voted for The Yorkshire Party.

I don't know much about them, so I based my vote entirely on the booklet I got in my election pack. The guy seems OK. Quite boring, and technical (he really hams up his engineering background), but he was the strongest on transport, which is one of my biggest problems with Leeds/Yorkshire. Obviously there are many other issues, such as homelessness, poverty and such, but a Yorkshire Mayor can't fix these - they're issues everywhere.

The Labour incumbant seems OK, but she didn't mention trams at all in her bumpf. Just buses. Good, but not good enough.

Tory bloke said he won't put up council taxes. That was almost his entire pitch. Obviously I wouldn't vote for the scum, but it's a poor offering to people who lean that way if inaction is the best they can do. He did mention trams, which was surprising.

There was a mental climate denier/anti-lockdown/against net zero guy.

Green guy seemed OK, but they had 8 policy points. One of which they dedicated to Gaza. I think it's a huge issue, of course, but wtf is the Mayor of Yorkshire going to do about it? Wasted opportunity to talk about things they can actually address. Like trams, which they also didn't mention. they didn't even talk about buses. Just cycling and walking infrastructure, which is cool, but how are the millions of people in the region going to get around long distances? Mental to not even mention it.

Lib Dems were meh, as ever. Wouldn't vote for them, and they're irrelevant and boring, so I didn't even read their pitch.

I imagine Tracy B, the Labour candidate, will get in again. Famous, incumbant, safe/boring. And Labour.
 
Kaleel Khan , founder of Tameside Palestinian Solidarity group , takes seat from Labour in St Peter's Ward of Ashton, Tameside. "Labour said Gaza dominated the campaign there and caused discontent towards the party over their position on the conflict. But Mr Khan insisted he had won on local issues." ( Manchester Evening News)
 
Fez909 said:
I voted for Alliance For Green Socialism in the council ellections. I usually vote for them, and it's the same guy each time. Usually gets around 100 votes :guy:

For WY Mayor, I voted for The Yorkshire Party.

I don't know much about them, so I based my vote entirely on the booklet I got in my election pack. The guy seems OK. Quite boring, and technical (he really hams up his engineering background), but he was the strongest on transport, which is one of my biggest problems with Leeds/Yorkshire. Obviously there are many other issues, such as homelessness, poverty and such, but a Yorkshire Mayor can't fix these - they're issues everywhere.

The Labour incumbant seems OK, but she didn't mention trams at all in her bumpf. Just buses. Good, but not good enough.

Tory bloke said he won't put up council taxes. That was almost his entire pitch. Obviously I wouldn't vote for the scum, but it's a poor offering to people who lean that way if inaction is the best they can do. He did mention trams, which was surprising.

There was a mental climate denier/anti-lockdown/against net zero guy.

Green guy seemed OK, but they had 8 policy points. One of which they dedicated to Gaza. I think it's a huge issue, of course, but wtf is the Mayor of Yorkshire going to do about it? Wasted opportunity to talk about things they can actually address. Like trams, which they also didn't mention. they didn't even talk about buses. Just cycling and walking infrastructure, which is cool, but how are the millions of people in the region going to get around long distances? Mental to not even mention it.

Lib Dems were meh, as ever. Wouldn't vote for them, and they're irrelevant and boring, so I didn't even read their pitch.

I imagine Tracy B, the Labour candidate, will get in again. Famous, incumbant, safe/boring. And Labour.
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I voted for Green on both counts. The Yorkshire Party have the whiff of xenophobic Faragism to me
 
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