ManchesterBeth
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Actually that was a comment about your 'conditioning.'
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Actually that was a comment about your 'conditioning.'
Treacle Toes
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I am not sure that you understand what racism is tbh
Whilst it seems like a step forward that you are now trying to pass off points that others have had to make to you as your own you still don't appear to engage with your own associations at all. Blaming me for noticing is piss poor.
For example compare...
'There are Black victims in working class communities'
'There are Black working class victims'
There is a difference.
You view everything along racial lines (which is part of what racism is) and then project that onto my words. I’ve explained what I meant and it follows logically from my earlier posts (where you were claiming things like working class is code for ‘white’) - I’m not doing retrospective acrobatics.
Ive never been part of any trot tradition.
Childish.
Treacle Toes
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No I don't, I am pointing that habit out in you, you're not even conscious of it! It's tiresome to read you continually doing this whilst also claiming class warrior-dom.
Also you do use WC as code for White, i've pointed that out to you on another thread too. I see you don't want to engage with the example I have offered you from your posts this morning either. Convenient.
Bizarre then, when my colleagues and neighbours etc are of mixed ethnicities that you think I exclude them when referring to the wc. It’s because that’s how YOU think, not me. 
This is just pedantry at how I phrased something.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You aren’t the target audience.
Treacle Toes
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Bizarre then, when my colleagues and neighbours etc are of mixed ethnicities that you think I exclude them when referring to the wc. It’s because that’s how YOU think, not me.
Dear me...you are even trying the some of my friends/colleagues/neighbours are x line now. You don't think it yet it is evident in your associations and posts? Right.
That winky smilie is really creepy btw, in this context.
Working class communities tend to be more racially mixed than others - especially in London. So how is it code for ‘white’?
I’m tiring of you again tbh.
I’m tiring of you again tbh.
Treacle Toes
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Yes, we know, hence repeatedly making a similar point/challenge to you! If you can continue to reflect that in your posts from now on I think we've probably achieved something.
ManchesterBeth
Well-Known Member
Did I say I was? ffs.
I don’t need to add caveats to ‘working class’ for it to mean many ethnicities ffs. It already means that.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
No. You asked who the target audience was. Who the IWCA are trying to engage with.
Treacle Toes
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No-one is saying you do. It's the implied exclusions that are the problem as you well know.
There are no ‘implied exclusions’- that’s entirely down to your misinterpretation.
Treacle Toes
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Yes, that’s you. You’re arguing against what you think I mean despite me repeatedly saying that isn’t what I mean.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Community action should always be the first resort. It's hard for some antisocial knobhead to cry racism when it's the people around him (and it is almost always a male or males), of every colour, condemning him. Use the tools available, and if/when they don't work, THEN bring in the Old Bill, who won't do fuck all, but at least you can make sure your complaint is officially registered.
Bear in mind, folks, that ASB has to be of the order of dealing out of your council home, for eviction proceedings to even be considered. Local authorities prefer to look the other way regarding ASB less serious than that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think by community action Magnus means people patrolling and calling the cops on the suspicious or trying to detain them, vigilantes anyway
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If we liquidate those elements of the bourgeoisie that use cocaine, we could remove a substantial amount of drug gang trade.
Just a thought.[/I]
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Local vigilantism should always be a last resort, because the potential for blowback is so great.
Its great that you both have your own ideas around what you deem to be acceptable responses. No phoning the cops! No vigilantism! Ethnic quotas of activists!
If only the working class were all perfectly turned out libertarian communists, like you two!
Until then, we’ll just have to accept that they might organise in ways us sneering outsiders find unpalatable.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Next time I bump into them I willWhy not take it up with them personally?
I wasn’t being serious. Was just dying to say that since you said it to me.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Who appointed you Spokesman for the Working Classes all of a sudden?
How do you know those you're replying to aren't already in one way or another involved in community action of a kind they think is part of a solution to these problems? You're the one 'othering' posters constantly on here, like these are problems that are somehow 'over there' for all of the rest of us posting, and that's the only possible reason we might think as we do. Can't be because people have thought about it and think some things work while others don't, and have good solid reasons for thinking that.
wrt calling the police, a rather obvious point I would make there is that you can get yourself into serious shit for calling the police on your neighbours. Something that needs very careful consideration.
I know that none of them (including me) are based in Birmingham - which was the action under consideration earlier in the thread.
And having been involved in something similar myself I know very well the feeling when know-alls pop up to offer their expert tips on where you’ve been going wrong.
And having been involved in something similar myself I know very well the feeling when know-alls pop up to offer their expert tips on where you’ve been going wrong.
Treacle Toes
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Unitl you do the exact same thing again then deny you did it/are doing it because it's all a fucking laugh/competition/game. /sigh.
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