Junior doctors strike back on

[Pickman's model]

So you wouldn't support a strike by supermarket workers or office cleaners?

that doesn't follow, does it. thinking not your strong point, leslieb

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Well I'd rather see the NHS budget spent on increasing the wages of HCAs than Junior Doctors. And most HCAs can't afford to go on strike!




Sure, but there is a difference between supporting people having the *right* to strike and supporting a particular strike cause, no?

Which ever way you slice and dice it, this is a very middle class strike isn't it?

Firstly, do you think that the government proposals are about moving cash from the junior doctors wage bill to the HCA wage bill...really? Is this in the same imagined world of striking junior bankers, or is it another dream you've just pulled out your ear?

Secondly, this is a strike about defending a universal free at the point of need service; it seems to be your envy of junior doctors that can't let you see the huge working class benefit of such a service and the defense of such a service.

Louis MacNeice

 

[LeslieB]

that doesn't follow, does it. thinking not your strong point, leslieb

Of course it follows. You just said one of your reasons for supporting this strike was that junior doctors were in the public sector.

Supermarket workers clearly aren't. Therefore you can't say 'public sector strike- good, private sector strike bad' unless you would refuse to support a strike by supermarket workers.

Personally I'd love to see a picket line outside McDonalds or Tesco.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course it follows. You just said one of your reasons for supporting this strike was that junior doctors were in the public sector.

Supermarket workers clearly aren't. Therefore you can't say 'public sector strike- good, private sector strike bad' unless you would refuse to support a strike by supermarket workers.

Personally I'd love to see a picket line outside McDonalds or Tesco.

being as this thread's about public sector workers going on strike it seems perverse to introduce hypotheticals about bankers going on strike: bankers of course generally not unionised although there is a union for bank workers: a different breed altogether.

your introduction of the dichotomy public sector strike good / private sector strike bad based on a dishonest sleight of hand.

 

[brogdale]

One of my favourite songs, but what is your point?

That.

 

[LeslieB]

That.

Eh?

there is a union for bank workers: a different breed altogether.

Something we agree on at last Yes your average bank teller probably has no more in common with the City of London lot than the average Asda worker has with a member of the Walton family

 

[butchersapron]

Of course it follows. You just said one of your reasons for supporting this strike was that junior doctors were in the public sector.

Supermarket workers clearly aren't. Therefore you can't say 'public sector strike- good, private sector strike bad' unless you would refuse to support a strike by supermarket workers.

Personally I'd love to see a picket line outside McDonalds or Tesco.

Has your banning been lifted then Oswaldtwistle?

 

[LeslieB]

Has your banning been lifted then Oswaldtwistle?

Yes, but how did you figure that out please?

 

[butchersapron]

Have you never heard of the files?

 

[J Ed]

I notice that quite a few idiots who are also opposed to strikes by say the RMT have suddenly transformed themselves into ardent trade unionists who are only concerned here as they are class warriors worried that the junior doctors are too bourgeois to support.

 

[LeslieB]

Have you never heard of the files?

No, and they sound a bit ominous to be honest. My understanding was pnly the mods had access to stuff like this?

#aqua #fridgemagnet ?

Edit not sure how to tag people but I feel they should know about this.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[LeslieB]

You really think it's funny that someone is keeping files on people?

On this issue I might be in a minority of one on here, on another issue it might be you.

Anyway people post some pretty personal stuff on here. I'll certainly be more wary in future.

 

[killer b]

You unmasked yourself you daft twat.

 

[killer b]

Oh I think I'll just go back to that forum and post about the same bullshit I always post about, using all the same words, and then get upset when I get spotted straight away.

 

[Pickman's model]

You really think it's funny that someone is keeping files on people?

On this issue I might be in a minority of one on here, on another issue it might be you.

Anyway people post some pretty personal stuff on here. I'll certainly be more wary in future.

no you won't

 

[DotCommunist]

You really think it's funny that someone is keeping files on people?

On this issue I might be in a minority of one on here, on another issue it might be you.

Anyway people post some pretty personal stuff on here. I'll certainly be more wary in future.

there are no files, its a running joke. Just a search function and being able to spot writing style

 

[butchersapron]

Anyway, back to the issue...

 

[J Ed]

Is there going to be an official response? Surely the doctors aren't just going to accept this.

 

[DotCommunist]

Is there going to be an official response? Surely the doctors aren't just going to accept this.

theres a response from the BMA linked to on the previous page.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there going to be an official response? Surely the doctors aren't just going to accept this.

Junior doctors: Contract imposition is a black day for the NHS | GPonline

 

[killer b]

I understand theyre expecting to announce further action on the 20th.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I understand theyre expecting to announce further action on the 20th.

And taking the 'emergency cover' staff out too I believe?

 

[LeslieB]

Oh I think I'll just go back to that forum and post about the same bullshit I always post about, using all the same words, and then get upset when I get spotted straight away.

I'm amazed anyone remembers from so far back, tbh.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Drinks event with Jeremy Hunt cancelled after junior doctors bought tickets

Jeremy Hunt has cancelled a 'meet and greet' drinks event tonight, after junior doctors bought tickets.

The Health Secretary was to appear at the wine and nibbles night for Fareham Conservative Association - but it was scrapped after activists circulated the invitation on social media.

The invitation to the £15-a-head fundraiser read: "Join the association & the Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt for drinks and canapés at the Lysses House Hotel, High Street, Fareham."

The event has been cancelled and removed from Fareham Tories' website.

It's unclear how many doctors bought tickets for the event.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'm amazed anyone remembers from so far back, tbh.

Maybe it had something to do with the striking quality of your posts.

Louis MacNeice

p.s. still feel free to answer the questions you've been so assiduously avoiding.

 

[killer b]

And taking the 'emergency cover' staff out too I believe?

Not sure. There's a lot of pissed off drs calling for allsorts of shit, but I don't think exactly what's going to happen has been decided on yet. Talk of committees and suchlike (I'm surprised they didn't have something in place already tbh, this isn't exactly unexpected)

 

[Pickman's model]

Drinks event with Jeremy Hunt cancelled after junior doctors bought tickets

 

[killer b]

this is the contract

http://www.nhsemployers.org/~/media...mary of new JD 2016 contract Final 12 Feb.pdf

this bit seems to be causing some outrage:

 

[agricola]

this is the contract

http://www.nhsemployers.org/~/media/Employers/Documents/Need to know/Summary of new JD 2016 contract Final 12 Feb.pdf

this bit seems to be causing some outrage:

I think thats because its combined with this:

Additional work paid at prevailing rate unless a breach of WTR 48-hour average working hours or contractual 72-hour weekly limit, in which case, time and a half would be paid

... which is basically no extra pay for overtime up to a certain point (and then time and a half afterwards), isn't it?