Junior doctors strike back on
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Smangus
comatose at a desk
I really hope you're wrong. But ...
So do I. But I think they may have bitten off more than they can chew. Especially with the consultants next in line.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
my sister (what's the opposite of the black sheep of the family? Whatever it is, that's her) is a junior doctor. She said consultants, jnr doctors, nurses are all spitting mad in hospital at the moment and the mood is very combative
03gills
Professional Cockwomble
I don't understand this 'if I don't get it, no one should, attitude, Isn't That 'the politics of envy' which is something the Tories are supposed to be dead against? I mean how bitter & short sighted do you have to be?
For example, I work in retail & am expected to work a seven days rota, don't receive extra for Sundays & Bank Holidays so by rights i should have a 'fuck em' attitude... but guess what? I don't. In fact, I'd love to see the law changed so that extra cash for unsocial hours & days is the norm for everyone.
It's not about modernising pay rates, or recognising the 24/7 nature of modern nursing any of that bollocks, it's about employers doing the bare minimum of what they can get away with.
I mean would all UK employers be offering a minimum of 6.70ph to all over 21's if they weren't required to by law? There are good eggs out there that would, I've no doubt (current job included) but without a guaranteed pay floor, I'd wager a bet that alot wouldn't.
After all, If the law doesn't require them to do it, then they won't fecking do it. This is why we have employment law in the first place.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
And, I believe, nursing staff too, sometime soon.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Which is exactly the sort of mood you want people in in an already highly pressurised and stressful work environment
It must be horrible right now, I'm angrier about this than I have been about anything in a long time, and it's not my career, my life, my colleagues, my friends. Horrible and terrifying
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
That's scarily plausible, too
teqniq
DisMembered
I have been thinking this too.
If you seriously think there is any comparison between this and the miners strike of the early 80s you need to learn some history.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tory governments (check) taking on a group of public sector employees (check) and imposing changes on their terms and conditions (check)...
Very simplistic. You need to understand how the pit was at the heart of many communities in places like South Wales and the North East.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
And again how does attacking the terms and conditions of junior doctors benefit health care assistants?
Louis MacNeice
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Where's MarkyMark gone? He suddenly seems a bit less of a dick.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you claimed there was no comparison while i was pointing out several commonalities. my post not intended to be, nor was it, a complete list or work on the subject and only a pointless twat would assume it was.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i suspect he hired LeslieB specifically so people would see there are greater twazzocks out there than MarkyMarrk and so be kinder to MarkyMarrk in future.
serious question. If there was a 'junior bankers' strike taking place in the City of London, how many people on this thread would support it?
After all, how does attacking the terms and conditions of junior bankers help security guards, receptionists and those that clean their offices?
After all, how does attacking the terms and conditions of junior bankers help security guards, receptionists and those that clean their offices?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
SRS
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The miners strike of the mid 80s was engineered by the Tories as a necessary attack on the organised labour movement; it was successful and severely injured (some would say killed off) that movement .
This juniors doctors strike is being engineered as a necessary attack on that most popular underpinning of the welfare state, the NHS. It is another key battle in the fight over the what remains of the post war working class gains.
Given the lack of attention to detail and evidence of any grasp on history you've displayed, it is unsurprising that you fail to see such an obvious comparison. However, it is still sad to see you flaunting your ignorance (and envy) so confidently.
Louis MacNeice
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly. Both events representing elements of the long 'progress' of the neo-liberal rejection of the post-war 'social contract'. Within 32 years of the Miners' Strike the last pit was closed; I've no doubt that the party of financialised capital would desire the end of publicly-owned hospitals within such a time frame.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
are bankers in the public sector? muppet
So you wouldn't support a strike by supermarket workers or office cleaners?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
In the abstract I'd defend all workers rights to withdraw their labour. In practice the level of support I'd give would be informed by answers to questions like:
What service do junior bankers provide that is analogous with junior doctors?
What service does the City of London provide that is analogous with those provided by the NHS?
What is their imagined strike seeking to achieve? (If we're in the imagining business, a strike against corporate corruption would get more of my support that one for increased bonus payments).
What is the attitude of the security guards, receptionist and cleaners to the imagined strike?
What service does the City of London provide that is analogous with those provided by the NHS?
What is their imagined strike seeking to achieve? (If we're in the imagining business, a strike against corporate corruption would get more of my support that one for increased bonus payments).
What is the attitude of the security guards, receptionist and cleaners to the imagined strike?
The bottom line is Leslie, if you're going to make stuff up at least think it through.
So one more time, how does attacking the terms and conditions of junior doctors help health care assistants? I sense you don't want to answer but try to have the courage of your ill informed convictions.
Louis MacNeice
Well I'd rather see the NHS budget spent on increasing the wages of HCAs than Junior Doctors. And most HCAs can't afford to go on strike!
Sure, but there is a difference between supporting people having the *right* to strike and supporting a particular strike cause, no?
Which ever way you slice and dice it, this is a very middle class strike isn't it?
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