Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[DotCommunist]

And islamic crescents on them as well? Mossad really don't do subtle much.

 

[cesare]

Faked photos. Who'd have thought it.

 

[agricola]

Oh those damn weapons turn out to be fake. Who would have guessed it?

http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpre...reign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/

I think Israeli intelligence needs a bit of a shake up if this is best they can do. Very amateurish indeed.

The level of fail in this whole affair is probably record-breaking.

 

[dylans]

And islamic crescents on them as well? Mossad really don't do subtle much.

I love this one

. The IDF prove their case with a smoking saw

 

[agricola]

I love this one

. The IDF prove their case with a smoking saw

... and combat roses in the background. Look at those thorns!

 

[Spymaster]

Would you be reluctant to accept that defence of your car or home against invasion would be necessary, useful or sensible?

If the robbers were tooled-up, Israeli special forces?

I would accept the inevitable, hide in a bush, and concentrate on not sustaining any injuries while they chore the stereo and the alloys.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'm pretty sure Spy agrees with this, but has put his concerns in a way that have been magnified in a polarising light by people who are understandibly angry at Israel. I think Spy is wrong to focus on the self-defence, when the assault is the issue in question. But we are all complicit in this if we continue.

Here are the important things:

1. The illegal and immoral blockade.

2. The illegl and immoral attack on the aid convoy.

....with any and all surrounding circumstances to be eschewed as heresy.

Someone with the opposing viewpoint could take a similarly blinkered view and say

Here is the important thing: the rocket attacks and other terrorist forays into Israel.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well, that's your interpretation.
As we don't (and will probably never) know the actual orders the commander of the assault teams was given, we can't know whether or not more than a few "casualties" were part of the scenario.

The bolded words are an important part of this discussion with respect not only to what the commander thought or ordered, but also wrt what transpired in the heads of those who picked up axe handles and hammers.

 

[tangentlama]

Unlike his creation, Wallander, Henning Mankell does own a razor.

The Israeli soldiers held it up in front of Mankell and told him it was a weapon.

 

[tangentlama]

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[Doctor Carrot]

How do you get exif data? I want to see for myself, I just downloaded an add on but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Edit: Ah it seems they've changed them now. Did anyone get actual screen shots? I think it's really important that those who did should post them everywhere.

 

[Spion]

....with any and all surrounding circumstances to be eschewed as heresy.

Someone with the opposing viewpoint could take a similarly blinkered view and say

Here is the important thing: the rocket attacks and other terrorist forays into Israel.

If that's what you think why don't you say so?

 

[DotCommunist]

looking at them qassam things 'rocket' is stretching it a bit. They look like they barely qualify as a proper mortar. Rockets should have onboard GPS and stabilisers etc. Those things look like overgrown fireworks. No fun if they hit you I suppose but calling those bluepeter efforts a rocket seems to be polishing a turd imo

 

[tangentlama]

The blockade and sanctions must end.

"What's happening between Palestinians is due to the embargo imposed by the international community. Once you starve people they become vulnerable and easily manipulated by both parties to serve their personal interests."
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2007/05/2008525123454133521.html

 

[dylans]

The bolded words are an important part of this discussion with respect not only to what the commander thought or ordered, but also wrt what transpired in the heads of those who picked up axe handles and hammers.

Oh just fuck off

 

[goldenecitrone]

Israel is definitely drifting towards apartheid South Africa-like pariah status. It can't carry on as it is, that's for sure.

 

[sleaterkinney]

....with any and all surrounding circumstances to be eschewed as heresy.

Someone with the opposing viewpoint could take a similarly blinkered view and say

Here is the important thing: the rocket attacks and other terrorist forays into Israel.

And you could follow it all back to the beginning, the root cause - couldn't you?

 

[DexterTCN]

Here is the important thing: the rocket attacks and other terrorist forays into Israel.

And the argument changes, again.

 

[Idris2002]

I love this one

. The IDF prove their case with a smoking saw

The activists should have armed themselves with flaky, custard filled pastries.

'To their lies we respond with pies'.

 

[Open Sauce]

Oh those damn weapons turn out to be fake. Who would have guessed it?

http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpre...reign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/

I think Israeli intelligence needs a bit of a shake up if this is best they can do. Very amateurish indeed.

So much for an investigation, all evidence contaminated, violation of a crime scene. No serious/credible investigation would treat evidence like this

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If that's what you think why don't you say so?

Because I don't think there's any benefit to focusing on one aspect, to the exclusion of all others.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

looking at them qassam things 'rocket' is stretching it a bit. They look like they barely qualify as a proper mortar. Rockets should have onboard GPS and stabilisers etc. Those things look like overgrown fireworks. No fun if they hit you I suppose but calling those bluepeter efforts a rocket seems to be polishing a turd imo

If it kills your kid or your grandmother, you probably wouldn't be all that bothered with nomenclature.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And you could follow it all back to the beginning, the root cause - couldn't you?

Those who forget history are bound to repeat it, I think the saying is.

 

[Spion]

And the argument changes, again.

Johnny's here to stir the pot (the fucking sad case that he is)

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And the argument changes, again.

It's part of the same situation, which is more than an argument.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'm not sure of the point of these posts concerning evidence of knives etc. It's not as if, were they to find a machine gun hidden amongst the floatation devices, that anyone's opinion would change.

 

[Citizen66]

So much for an investigation, all evidence contaminated, violation of a crime scene. No serious/credible investigation would treat evidence like this

 

[magneze]

If it kills your kid or your grandmother, you probably wouldn't be all that bothered with nomenclature.

Nearly 100K eh?

 

[agricola]

I'm not sure of the point of these posts concerning evidence of knives etc. It's not as if, were they to find a machine gun hidden amongst the floatation devices, that anyone's opinion would change.

No, but the mere suggestion (though of course its more than that given the info that has been presented) that the Israelis sexed up the "weapons" that were seized is very odd.

I mean, when you disseminate misleading pictures of glass marbles as weapons in order to prove a point........

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, but the mere suggestion (though of course its more than that given the info that has been presented) that the Israelis sexed up the "weapons" that were seized is very odd.

I mean, when you disseminate misleading pictures of glass marbles as weapons in order to prove a point........

Maybe Mossad is under new management these days.