danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And coriander. And children's toys. And all sorts of stuff. No, they've lost the right to police anything. The UN and NATO need to do it.
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
small arms and rifles to protect themselves from IDF incursions maybe 
Aye, but I didn't get anyone killed.
I think we may have lost a few to collateral damage, mind.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
And they don't allow Gaza produced goods out of Gaza, so they can't sell them, and they don't allow raw materials in, so the factories/businesses close and thousands and thousands lose their jobs.
The blockade is not about guns, it's about crushing the Gazan economy.
The blockade is not about destroying Hamas, it's about destroying those people and their descendents who used to live in Ashdod, Askelon, 'Sderot', Jaffa, and other now-Israeli controlled areas along the coast and surrounding Gaza strip.
The blockade is not about preventing terrorism, it is about preventing the people who now live in the Gaza strip - the world's longest running refugee community - from rebuilding their homes, hospitals, schools, universities, storage warehouses, roads, parks, after their destruction by Israeli Defence Forces.
The blockade is about destroying their hope of compensation for homes stolen, land stolen. It's about crushing the remaining refugee population, weakening their health, weakening the health of their children, it's about crushing the Palestinians so they beg to be transferred.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
dylans
overlord of all acorns
There is also this. If the tragic deaths of those aboard that ship leads to Israel abandoning its strangulation of Gaza then they won't have died in vain. Regardless of the details, this situation has placed the plight of Gaza on the world stage. It would be a real tragedy if the opportunity to end this was lost. Israel is just waiting to weather the storm.
The demonstration in London was heartening at such short notice. We need to keep up the global momentum and build up the pressure on the British government to put their words into action.
It is a disgrace that the UK and EU are selling weapons to Israel and we have a chance to put pressure on the Government over this. Guess who said this?
Yes, Nick. We should throw those words in his face
It is a disgrace that the EU only a month ago admitted Israel into the OECD, we should demand they are suspended immediately.
It is a disgrace that we haven't expelled their Ambassador. We should kick him out
Finally it is a disgrace that arrest warrants haven't been issued for every member of the Israeli Government and every senior officer in the IDF .
Here is the amnesty email address posted on a different thread by Danny http://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions_de...p?ActionID=699 Use it.
Here is Nick Cleggs facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/nickclegg. .Write on his on his wall
Here is a contact address to write to Nick Clegg. http://www.nickclegg.com/nccom_contact.aspx Send a letter.
Here is my satirical piece on Clegg. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=326078&page=3
Use it if it helps.
I know it is all a bit hopeless. But we can do what we can do. I just want to be able to look myself in the mirror and say I didn't do nothing. We have a small chance, use it people.
The demonstration in London was heartening at such short notice. We need to keep up the global momentum and build up the pressure on the British government to put their words into action.
It is a disgrace that the UK and EU are selling weapons to Israel and we have a chance to put pressure on the Government over this. Guess who said this?
Yes, Nick. We should throw those words in his face
It is a disgrace that the EU only a month ago admitted Israel into the OECD, we should demand they are suspended immediately.
It is a disgrace that we haven't expelled their Ambassador. We should kick him out
Finally it is a disgrace that arrest warrants haven't been issued for every member of the Israeli Government and every senior officer in the IDF .
Here is the amnesty email address posted on a different thread by Danny http://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions_de...p?ActionID=699 Use it.
Here is Nick Cleggs facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/nickclegg. .Write on his on his wall
Here is a contact address to write to Nick Clegg. http://www.nickclegg.com/nccom_contact.aspx Send a letter.
Here is my satirical piece on Clegg. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=326078&page=3
Use it if it helps.
I know it is all a bit hopeless. But we can do what we can do. I just want to be able to look myself in the mirror and say I didn't do nothing. We have a small chance, use it people.
I am beginning to think that Violentpanda might be right in his post 1967 as linked to a few posts back. If the IDF commandos did deliberately provoke the violence they would be safe in the knowledge that they had superior strength and would win. They would be doing it with the permission of or at the express wish of the Israeli government.
What makes me suspect this is that the Israelis had cameras ready on the launches surrounding the ship and also on the helicopter. The whole operation might well have been pre-determined towards discrediting the people running the convoy.
If this was the case then it has backfired a bit. Yes the television news media all took up the video and broadcast it, but the larger picture, the fact of the IDF action being deep into international waters some 60 miles off shore, i heard, still got out and United Nations countries came out strongly against the Israeli position despite America doing its best to calm things down for its friend Israel. Israel is a bit lonelier than it was.
What makes me suspect this is that the Israelis had cameras ready on the launches surrounding the ship and also on the helicopter. The whole operation might well have been pre-determined towards discrediting the people running the convoy.
If this was the case then it has backfired a bit. Yes the television news media all took up the video and broadcast it, but the larger picture, the fact of the IDF action being deep into international waters some 60 miles off shore, i heard, still got out and United Nations countries came out strongly against the Israeli position despite America doing its best to calm things down for its friend Israel. Israel is a bit lonelier than it was.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
And in that post I have just lost every shred of respect that I had for your argument.
I asked you if the blockade constituted a crime against humanity and you said YES
Excuse my puzzlement if you think crimes against humanity are issues of negotiation or discussion. They are not. The blockade has to end now.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Correct.
The irony is that while the Israeli state continually says that the Palestinians don't want Israel to exist, they actually deny Palestine ever existed. They weren't here, it isn't their land, they have no history here. This is the Regev school of Orwellian mindwarp.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Poor little defenceless Israel what with its powerful army,nuclear weapons and America in its corner needs to protect itself from all sorts of dangerous stuff like coriander and toys and all sorts of stuff like that,wonder how long Turkey will remain Israel's only Muslim "friend",hopefully the Turk's grow a set after whats just happened,Turkey's a popular tourist destination for Israelis,not now I think.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I don't think the theory is entirely without merit, but not because of this:
Any nation in the would have filmed the boarding. That the pictures were edited to show the IDF as the victims is a very distinct possibility, but I don't think anything can be concluded from the fact that the action was filmed.
Any nation in the would have filmed the boarding. That the pictures were edited to show the IDF as the victims is a very distinct possibility, but I don't think anything can be concluded from the fact that the action was filmed.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Just trying to be pragmatic. If there's a way to relieve some suffering whilst searching for a permanent solution, why not take it.
Why does it have to be immediately all or nothing?
rioted
redundant
I'm prepared to bow to your superior knowledge and experience. What NVDA have you ever prepred for? What situations have you ever been in where the fully-armed opposition kicks off big time? None? Oh you do surprise me!
rioted
redundant
I that all? A possibility?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
rioted
redundant
And about the Palestinians having the audacity to elect a Hamas government when Israel warned them not to!
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The Israeli state has been hammering Palestinian faces into the dirt for half a century. In a way we can't really blame the Israelis' hurt indignation if we pull them up on it. Why now, after all? If it was wrong all along, why only now?
rioted
redundant
So the answer is that you've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Do you want the Gaza people to just piss off as well?Haha!
The bloke's been on a Greanpeace weekend and he's the Red Rambo!
Piss off!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No, a very distinct possibility.
Shouldn't you be manning a barricade somewhere, Superman?
Maidmarian
Stubborn Socialist
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
If you mean "experience of being shot at by IDF commandos on the high seas", no I haven't.
Neither have you, or did Greanpeace lob a few bangers at your canoe?
rioted
redundant
Name me an Israeli target closer than a hundred miles to where I live and I'll be there this evening. If there was one next door to you, you wouldn't be on it. Urging restraint from the comfort of your armchair, no doubt.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
But there's a danger with conflating what is right and what is possible. Yes, the blockade should end, yes Gaza should be demolished and the land returned but trying to do this all at once is unrealistic and liable to end in failure.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Holding todays newspaper please
rioted
redundant
People have pointed guns at me, yes. The cops here have waded in a few times with batons and shields, yes. I have friends who have faced down the IDF and been severely beaten for it. Your experience?If you mean "experience of being shot at by IDF commandos on the high seas", no I haven't.
Neither have you, or did Greanpeace lob a few bangers at you?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Where do you live, Rambo?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And what is not possible or realistic is allowing the Israelis to police the aid. Gaza needs to be rebuilt and once rebuilt, protected from Israel.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I didn't suggest they should, rather that the UN should deliver and distribute supplies. Let the Isaelis police their territorial waters for arms.
rioted
redundant
Your experience?
rioted
redundant
Yup, that's the Israeli line "Might is Right".
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