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Ethnic nalgocrat
What makes you think I've already decided? You're the one using terms like 'fucking stupid', which rather suggests you have a very decided opinion on what happened.
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I'm suggesting that the Israeli state has previous in simply lying, or managing news by redirecting the focus. In the case - to which I referred earlier - of the wheelchair user who was deliberately run over by an armoured vehicle, Zionists simply said it never happened. That is what we're dealing with. Attested and documented events never happened.
So, knowing that, you can imagine my reluctance to accept the Israeli version without independent corroboration.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
You're quite right. It works both ways, and so it should.
The only difference here is that you've already decided what happened and are arguing to support that opinion. I have put forward some possible theories based on opinion and the evidence to hand and am prepared to be convinced either way.
Sorry but what happened isn't really in question.
The Israeli's sent commando's to intercept a boat full of protesters and those commandos shot them.
The ins and outs of the details are a distraction frankly, they shouldn't be blockading Gaza, they shouldn't be trying to bully people from protesting and they shouldn't have send soldiers on to that ship.
It is all Israel's responsibility. Every single death is down to them.
The end
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Ethnic nalgocrat
This is not wrong
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Plastic Paddy
Your posts, funnily enough.
Oh regardless of what happened I still do, and you'll have a job convincing me that attempting to repel an invasion by Israeli special forces using nothing but a handful of engine room tools is anything other than fucking stupid.
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Plastic Paddy
I agree. But can you appreciate my reluctance to accept that the 'defence' of this ship was necessary, useful or sensible?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Frankly I don't fucking care. I am sick of this bullshit. There is a hurricane of condemnation falling on Israel and the focus of the world is on Gaza. I suggest we use that to push for an end to this barbaric situation once and for all before the spotlight moves away and the bastards get away with it once again.
Write to William Hague, write to Nick Clegg. Demonstrate, do what you can to make your voices heard and demand an end to the blockade of Gaza.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I think your focus on this is disproportionate to the extent of actual OCD. The salient facts are as Dylans outlined above.
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Plastic Paddy
Well it is.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
If action (or inaction) could have been taken by the protestors that would end the assault and prevent further killing, they too are partly responsible for not taking that action.
Mooncat
Hug me - I'm vaccinated
Do you not think rappelling down into a group of people brandishing a 'handful of engine room tools' isn't just a little bit stupid?
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Plastic Paddy
Let them have their blockade in their territorial waters, on the understanding that UN authorised shipping is free to deliver and distribute certified aid.
Then work on Gaza itself.
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Plastic Paddy
Do you not think rappelling down into a group of people brandishing a 'handful of engine room tools' isn't just a little bit stupid?
Absolutely daft as fuck.
But we're talking about the IDF here, not Albert Einstein.
Mooncat
Hug me - I'm vaccinated
It does seem a little odd that a supposedly elite force would do such a thing. None of my squaddie mates can understand it. Its almost like they were asking for it.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
It's what you said. You then go on to say it again in the rest of your post.
I guess it's not surprising, given your standard of comprehension. Do you have learning difficulties?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It does seem a little odd that a supposedly elite force would do such a thing. None of my squaddie mates can understand it. Its almost like they were asking for it.
I think VP's got it pretty much nailed.
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Plastic Paddy
That's just the way the thread went.
I aired an unpopular view that would actually be perfectly valid in a more balanced discussion, but that became the focus for others and I was forced to defend the position.
Mooncat
Hug me - I'm vaccinated
Apologies - reading about a dozen forums about this and its all getting merged into one
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, I think your viewpoint on that issue is wrong, but I hope very much that the thread can more into a more productive and informative mode now.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Apologies - reading about a dozen forums about this and its all getting merged into one
It was mostly summed up here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=10719500&postcount=1967
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Plastic Paddy
Apologies - reading about a dozen forums about this and its all getting merged into one
It does seem a little odd that a supposedly elite force would do such a thing. None of my squaddie mates can understand it. Its almost like they were asking for it.
I certainly am not suggesting that any of the victims deserved shooting.
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Plastic Paddy
Fair enough. I think you're wrong on that issue too.
What about my suggestion regarding the blockade?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I'm not sure I understand it. UN certified aid is being restricted by Israel atm.
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Plastic Paddy
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
That's a yes then. I'll bear that in mind in future.
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Plastic Paddy
That's what has to end. The restrictions, not the blockade (for now).
The Israelis are understandably concerned that arms don't reach Gaza. Let them police that. Meanwhile force through a UN package that includes the delivery and distribution of the aid.
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Plastic Paddy
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
It shows your lack of knowledge of the blockade, its effects, the stance of the UN & international aid, and the great cost to both Palestinians and to the International Community, who would prefer that they could give something to the Palestinians that the Israelis won't try to demolish or destroy at some point in the future. It shows a complete lack of understanding of how Israel operates, the history of the sanction and blockade, and utter ignorance regarding the Israeli policy (governmental) of crushing the Palestinian economy any which way it can.
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Plastic Paddy
Which, funnily enough, was what the people on the boat said to the Israeli judge
Aye, but I didn't get anyone killed.
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