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Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

You have not got a leg to stand on you pair of fucking animals. Justifying this. Fuck off.

And what's worse they know it.

Pathetic insincere totally transparent bollocks.

I have more respect for the rampant Zionists celebrating these murders, at least they aren't cowards.
 
And what's worse they know it.

Pathetic insincere totally transparent bollocks.

I have more respect for the rampant Zionists celebrating these murders, at least they aren't cowards.

Wait a second.

That's ludicrous.

How in the hell do you display either cowardice or for that matter bravery on an internet bulletin board?
 
No, you're saying it's their fault.

Of course it's their fault, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine so that the Zionists could steal Palestinian land was obviously the fault of the Palestinians. They were told to clear out so that the Jews could be killed. Any schoolchild knows that. Any time the IDF kills civilians, it's always an Islamic plot to make them look bad. What's wrong with you for not understanding such simple facts of life? Anyone would think the IDF had committed a crime here from the way you people are talking which can't possibly be true because they're the good guys.
 
So your point is that Israel acted illegally but the protestors bought down their own consequences and deaths upon themselves because of their (re)-actions? Just trying to summarise for those late to the thread johnny :)

A summary from you isn't necessary.


If a thief sticks a gun in your ribs and asks for your money, you have two choices.

If you don't give up the money and he shoots you, it's arguable that that could have been avoided, had you done as asked. So in a limited sense, your choice played a role in the consequence of the trigger being pulled.

But the overriding situation was, is, and remains illegal. The thief has no color of right allowing him to do what he is doing, and your resistance to his act may have led to your death, but your resistance does not somehow convert his shooting you into a legal or justified act.

This applies in so many areas. If you leave your car unlocked with a laptop sitting on the seat, you are a damn fool, and no one will be very surprised when it is stolen. But your leaving the door unlocked does not change the essential nature of what the thief does, which is to commit the crime of theft.
 
The Israelis are lying, murdering scum.
The Israelis I met in India were arrogant, racist and obnoxious.
Evidently a nation of twats.
:mad:

They are not a nation of twats. The Israelis you met in India were ex-IDF. They left Israel because they had three years of military service and it was a national service and compulsory. Until only a few years ago, these soldiers entered the military at age 17. They were basically school children. In most countries, children would be studying for their A-levels, and finding ways to build their futures. In Israel, basically, the Israeli Government sanctioned entire generations of young people and conscripted them into the army, where they were taught to disdain and brutalise the Arab and never to trust them. Parents were emotionally blackmailed into "the ultimate patriotism", to encourage their children to take orders from military command or risk becoming branded a traitor to Israel. The movement to demilitarise, or civilian-ise Israeli society has been stifled and branded traitorous by some hardliners or by some arrogant American Jewish students, who think their fantasy about Israel can be met by the brutalisation and sometimes death of its young people through militarisation.

I can't seem to access the New Profile website? New Profile is a feminist movement in Israel to demilitarise Israeli society. They have come under alot of pressure of late.
Things were very bad this time last year:
About six months after Israel’s attorney general publicly announced an effort to criminalise dissent, state authorities have upped the ante in their “war” – as the daily Ha’aretz called it last September – against Israel’s youth and against the broad, grassroots protest movement of young Israelis who avoid serving their compulsory time in the military – slandered by officials as “draft shirkers”.

On 26 April, a day before Israel’s Memorial Day, Israeli police produced an absurd piece of political theatre – as Dimi Reider first reported here last Thursday. As if facing down dangerous organised criminals, they raided the homes of six activists in different parts of Israel, who were then detained for interrogation. Exploiting the emotions roused on a day of mourning for military dead, the police action singled out and branded anti-military activists as outside the legitimate Israeli community.

At the time of writing, police have summoned 10 additional activists for interrogation. The activists targeted are members of New Profile, a feminist movement working for over a decade to reverse the militarisation of state and society in Israel. I have been a member since its inception. New Profile intends to uphold the right to open discourse on the crucial issues young people face and we work to change the militarised thinking holding us, all the residents of Israel and Palestine, hostage. Our activism may enrage some, but our activities are totally legal.

The reality is that rising numbers of young Jewish Israelis – as well as the Druze minority who are also subject to conscription – find themselves unwilling to accept the Israeli dictate “There’s no other choice”. Four generations and over six decades of failed “military solutions” have engendered a broad social movement of young people who have severe internal struggles when asked to serve in the military.

Israeli law offers virtually no legal provision for conscientious objectors and Israel’s courts – both military and civil – class the reason for refusing service as “political”, “psychological” and only very rarely “conscientious”. The soul-searching brought on by deciding to serve has caused many young people real distress. In recent years, Israeli soldiers’ suicides have accounted for more deaths than all the other types of military casualties combined.
Young people who refused conscription had their houses raided. Military commanders labelled the refusers (refusnik) 'outside of Israeli society' and 'traitorous'.
 
Of course it's their fault, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine so that the Zionists could steal Palestinian land was obviously the fault of the Palestinians. They were told to clear out so that the Jews could be killed. Any schoolchild knows that. Any time the IDF kills civilians, it's always an Islamic plot to make them look bad. What's wrong with you for not understanding such simple facts of life? Anyone would think the IDF had committed a crime here from the way you people are talking which can't possibly be true because they're the good guys.
thanks for clearing that up :cool:

has anyone mentioned the land grabs that are currently taking place btw, in direct contravention of un policy afaik?
 
Indeed. I especially like this take on events, which basically suggests that Turkey - thats the country, not the bird JC - is an ally of al-Qaeda.

WTF is this

As to the flotilla, the challenge it presented was nothing new. Israel has been confronted by suicide protesters for a decade now. The fact that these pro-Hamas activists intended to commit suicide to discredit Israel on camera was made clear by the fact that the Turkish organizers named the lead ship Rachel Corrie.
 
Wait a second.

That's ludicrous.

How in the hell do you display either cowardice or for that matter bravery on an internet bulletin board?

Moral cowardice. Crying crocodile tears and blaming the reckless passengers for their own deaths because they don't have the balls to admit what they really think. That they will support Israel whatever crime they commit. If they had the balls to just admit that I would have a fraction of respect for them. They know there is no defending this so they quibble over details and wriggle around the issue of right and wrong
 
Wait a second.

That's ludicrous.

How in the hell do you display either cowardice or for that matter bravery on an internet bulletin board?

Amazing that you used two words not in that post.

But yes, it's pretty easy, all sorts of ways. Is this your first time on the internet 'diamond'?
 
Moral cowardice. Crying crocodile tears and blaming the reckless passengers for their own deaths because they don't have the balls to admit what they really think. That they will support Israel whatever crime they commit. If they had the balls to just admit that I would have a fraction of respect for them. They know there is no defending this so they quibble over details and wriggle around the issue of right and wrong

I was going to bed, but this is fun! :D

What the fuck are you on about?
 
Moral cowardice. Crying crocodile tears and blaming the reckless passengers for their own deaths because they don't have the balls to admit what they really think. That they will support Israel whatever crime they commit. If they had the balls to just admit that I would have a fraction of respect for them. They know there is no defending this so they quibble over details and wriggle around the issue of right and wrong

Yeah, except it's not really, is it?

In fact it's little more than a bunch of fellas scribbling insults and the like at each other as they go round in circles.
 
Standing up to a bunch of armed thugs acting illegally on behalf of a bunch of war criminals probably isn't an easy thing to do, I have no experience in doing so, but I can respect the courage it takes to attack a commando with a mop handle, knowing he's probably going to shoot you.
 
I guess some people like that in a man?

Bossy%20Woman.jpg

Like what in a man? The ability to answer a simple question? Pretty good quality in all people i'd say. Shame you refuse to answer it as yet.
 
I was going to bed, but this is fun! :D

What the fuck are you on about?

This. The Israeli action was criminal. Sole responsibility for all the deaths on that ship lies with Israel. The end

Anything but this is making excuses for murderers.
 
these guys are calling themselves a think tank? :facepalm:

The truly worrying thing about that article is the Post one that it is based on - in which Turkey (which lets not forget was the principal non-US ally of the Israelis until very recently) is variously described as being allied to Hamas, in the Iranian axis and (via the IHH organization) being linked to al-Qaeda.

We live in worrying times.
 
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