Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[Bernie Gunther]

Bullshit.
If the holocaust has taught anything to the people of the world it's that you shouldn't meekly submit to whatever fate awaits you, even if the cost of not submitting seems high.

Grim ... but hard to argue with.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Guess how

Guess how.........?............. [Come on, keep going!]

 

[Fedayn]

You're in the eastern mediterranean, heading for Gaza. You wake up to the sound of shouting, searchlights and gunfire.

Who do you think has come calling? It might be the Israelis; otoh, it might be Somali pirates. If it's Somali pirates, there might be some percentage in getting up and fighting.

So you weigh it in your head: IDF? Somali pirates? ...... IDF? Somali pirates?..........

Spymaster is thinking just how quickly he can drop his trousers and surrender.

 

[DotCommunist]

So, why didn't anyone die on those other five boats. If the Israelis come in gunz blazing, intending to kill?

Because according to what we have, none of the other boats were subjected to fire before being boarded.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Now you crossover into flith.

I hate flith, me.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Is there a full moon tonight?

 

[ViolentPanda]

except living on stolen land.

Well, more recently-stolen land than some other states, anyway.

 

[butchersapron]

Grim ... but hard to argue with.

Every fighter a hero.

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster is thinking just how quickly he can drop his trousers and surrender.

Too fucking right I would be. I'd have ruled out Somali Pirates.

 

[discokermit]

So, why didn't anyone die on those other five boats. If the Israelis come in gunz blazing, intending to kill?

they might have, we don't know yet. the other boats were almost certainly fired upon.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well, more recently-stolen land than some other states, anyway.

All of Canada got stolen from the Indians. About a hundred years ago, give or take a decade or two.

 

[butchersapron]

I hate flith, me.

Hah hah. Now fuck off to coventry. I urge you all to join me.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

. the other boats were almost certainly fired upon.

You and DC should pm to get the story straight.

 

[Fedayn]

Too fucking right I would be. I'd have ruled out Somali Pirates.

The obvious question is why the fuck you were on a boat where it was clear that confrontation with the Israeli authorities was likely given your obvious opinion on the issue. Your actions would/could well be dangerous for others. Surely by your logic you'd never even be on that boat?!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Now fuck off to coventry. I urge you all to join me.

Why: when are you leaving for Coventry? Is there a seat available on your coach?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Yes?

So this was speculative nonsense that never provided any justification for what occured then?

One thing, though. We've seen demonstrated that there are people who will attach bombs to themselves in furtherance of a cause. They become martyrs. Is is so difficult a stretch to think that individuals on that ship were prepared to become martyrs in furtherance of a cause, and thus were fully prepared to sail into the guns, in spite of repeated warnings?

 

[Spymaster]

Surely by your logic you'd never even be on that boat?!

No way would I be on that boat.

 

[teqniq]

Here's something else for people to sign if they are so inclined:-

Tell Obama to make Israel accountable to international law

From Jewish Voice for Peace

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So this was speculative nonsense that never provided any justification for what occured then?

Oh, here we go again.

If a thief sticks a gun in your ribs and asks for your money, you have two choices.

If you don't give up the money and he shoots you, it's arguable that that could have been avoided, had you done as asked. So in a limited sense, your choice played a role in the consequence of the trigger being pulled.

But the overriding situation was, is, and remains illegal. The thief has no color of right allowing him to do what he is doing, and your resistance to his act may have led to your death, but your resistance does not somehow convert his shooting you into a legal or justified act.This applies in so many areas. If you leave your car unlocked with a laptop sitting on the seat, you are a damn fool, and no one will be very surprised when it is stolen. But your leaving the door unlocked does not change the essential nature of what the thief does, which is to commit the crime of theft.

 

[discokermit]

You and DC should pm to get the story straight.

none of us have the story straight. almost all we have is israeli propoganda. when the truth get's out it will probably be even worse than it looks now. and you will look like one of the biggest cunts on the planet for churning out the shit you've come up with today.

you should be ashamed.

 

[free spirit]

So what do you do: turn it around, hold the metal head, and hit people with the wooden handle?

turn it on it's side to use the flat side, use less force, use it to punch end up, aim at a less lethal spot... use your imagination eh

 

[ViolentPanda]

Accepting for one moment the ludicrous notion that unarmed protestors could possibly overpower a team of armed Israeli commandos, without massive bloodshed (on your side mainly), what happens next?

The Israelis are going to leave their soldiers floating in the water and say "that's that"?

It's stupid.

No, that's you, that is.

Any commander who signed off on a mission to insert soldiers into a crowded situation should have realised that even armed with sidearms, it wouldn't be too difficult for successful resistance to take place. Gun + crowded area = unwanted and unnecessary casualties.

 

[discokermit]

Oh, here we go again.

thirty percent of this thread is that fucking post. stop being a cunt and fuck off.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

none of us have the story straight. almost all we have is israeli propoganda. when the truth get's out it will probably be even worse than it looks now. and you will look like one of the biggest cunts on the planet for churning out the shit you've come up with today.

you should be ashamed.

I guess DC was believing the Israeli propoganda when he said that the other five boats weren't fired upon.

Silly silly boy!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Oh, here we go again.

have you got tourettes or something?

 

[DotCommunist]

You and DC should pm to get the story straight.

'according to what we have'

Nice wriggle though, perhaps if you carry on nobody will notice you apologising for the actions. And don't bother reposting that insincere bet-hedger you have waved around twice. Your ideological bias and repeated twisting is clear for all to see so no need to pretend chum.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

thirty percent of this thread is that fucking post. stop being a cunt and fuck off.

Yeah. Too bad you're not getting it yet.

 

[Diamond]

Now this is a good old fashioned urban ruck if ever I saw one.

Enough to bring a tear to the eye.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Great grasp of geography there.

Hey, perhaps Somali pirates are being allowed through the Suez canal?

 

[editor]

they might have, we don't know yet. the other boats were almost certainly fired upon.

At least one other one was hit by percussion grenades with passive activists battered and beaten when the illegal Israeli force invaded their boat in open waters.