Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[weltweit]

mods have shown crazy inconsistency in this thread, what a great introduction to the forum!

hi all

returning banned poster rebanned

The most interesting posts of the thread so far.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

The most interesting posts of the thread so far.

oh do fuck off you twat.

 

[agricola]

Israel doesn't appear to have signed that convention though, so does it apply?

From this, accessed via the Wiki page for the Convention on the High Seas, it does appear that they have actually signed it.

 

[Sasaferrato]

My friend was one of the organisers, last we've heard from him was that he was 50 miles from Israeli waters

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

 

[not-bono-ever]

fuckin hell, Mad mels column is a bit forthright innit ? I know shes off her nut, but....

 

[Iguana]

' Yawn '. Heard ity all before. ' I'm nnot anti Jewish, I'm anti-Israeli '. Of course, the majority in Israel are Seventh Day Adventists.

You know the majority of the world's Jews aren't Israeli right? And that lots of Jews have no love for Israel.

But you know now that you say it I have to admit you're right, you've got us all, I hate Jews so much I even hate the Jewish side or my family. All of the time I've spent with my little cousins, cuddling them, playing with them, pushing their pram, changing the occasional nappy, deep down all I could think was stinking jewspawn.

And I can deny it no longer, the friendly relationship I have with my husband's Jewish ex is all part of my evil Jew hating ways. I've just got to work out if I should divorce my husband for his past fraternisation with an untermensch or be proud that he defiled her. I don't even like my brothers because they are circumcised and have Hebrew names.

I'm glad you have enlightened me and make me see the truth about my life. I had convinced myself that I was outraged at a state with a history of committing humanitarian atrocities, but thanks to you I'm no longer in denial.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

supporting hamas or not supporting ids parahcuting onto a ship and shooting everyone, from where am looking? behave yourself innit.

 

[Sasaferrato]

shamilton apparently registered on the 29th of May, i.e. last saturday.

Given the Israeli tactic of deploying trolls and smoke-throwers on to the interweb, it will be interesting to see how shamilton's post develop.

That is extreme paranoia. Do you think that anyone outside the boards has any interest whatsoever in what is posted?

 

[dylans]

Unlike you, I prefer to have the facts before making groundless assertions.

And if the facts don't suit you can rely on the Israelis to make them up. And if they can't make them up you can rely on the Israelis to ignore the opinion of the world .

I guess they figure that if they can drop white phosphorous on school kids and rely on wankers like you to defend them they can get away with pretty much anything.
Time for the Palestinians to dust off their rocket making skills I think.

 

[gavman]

I think that it's the revulsion of many Jews around the world against Israel's actions which can have a big effect on how the future plays out.

which is a condemnation in itself- your criticism is only valid if you're jewish?

 

[agricola]

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

unelected?

 

[Nylock]

Anyone interested in Melanie Phillips take on the matter? Keep a stiff drink handy...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniep...nvoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush.thtml

I was going to follow that link... but tbh since my old main monitor blew up i am on my standby spare one and don't fancy losing that to a good shoe-ing...

 

[where to]

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

useful post. you're deffo a muppet and attention seeker. always useful being abel to confirm these things. ta.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I wonder how the meeting between the Isreali prime minister and Obama will go tomorrow in the US?

I think the Israeli PM was in Canada today, and is heading home.

He was supposed to meet Obama tomorrow? Quite a coincidence that this ship shows up off the coast of Gaza, one day before that meeting.

 

[agricola]

I think the Israeli PM was in Canada today, and is heading home.

He was supposed to meet Obama tomorrow? Quite a coincidence that this ship shows up off the coast of Gaza, one day before that meeting.

There definately appears to be a pattern forming.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

A six-ship convoy carrying aid for Palestinians set sail for Gaza on Monday in defiance of an Israeli-led blockade of the impoverished territory and warnings that it would be intercepted.

The ships, led by a Turkish vessel with 600 people on board, departed from international waters off Cyprus on Sunday afternoon. After dark, three Israeli naval craft set out from Haifa to meet them, a journalist aboard one of the vessels said.

"If all goes well and there are no problems or interruptions of any kind it should reach Gaza tomorrow (Tuesday)," said Mary Hughes-Thompson, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza Movement, one of the organisers of the convoy.

Israel has already said it will prevent the convoy from reaching the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, a sliver of territory which Israel has blockaded for three years to prevent weapons and other materials it fears could be used for military purposes from reaching the enclave's Islamist rulers.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/israel-says-intercept-gaza-aid-convoy-3573777?ref=rss

Sounds like everyone got the result they wanted...

 

[Blagsta]

Unlike you, I prefer to have the facts before making groundless assertions.

You're a vile shit.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/israel-says-intercept-gaza-aid-convoy-3573777?ref=rss

Sounds like everyone got the result they wanted...

so the 16(?) people who've been shot dead set out to achieve that result?

 

[editor]

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/israel-says-intercept-gaza-aid-convoy-3573777?ref=rss

Sounds like everyone got the result they wanted...

I don't think any one wanted to get themselves killed by Israeli forces acting illegally, Johnny.

 

[Blagsta]

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

Hamas were elected you dumb fuck. What was that about facts?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Pro-Palestinian activists vowed on Thursday to steam on to Hamas-run Gaza and bust the blockade with their aid-laden flotilla as Israel again warned it would intercept the ships.

"We have the right to sail from international waters into the waters of Gaza," said Greta Berlin, one of the flotilla's organisers.

"The only illegal presence in the area is Israel," she told AFP, adding the "Freedom Flotilla" was on schedule to arrive in the Palestinian enclave on Saturday with more than 10,000 tonnes of building and other supplies.

But Israel insisted it would prevent the three cargo ships and five passenger boats from reaching the Islamist-run Gaza Strip, calling the blockade-busting bid a "cheap political stunt."

The foreign ministry said it summoned the ambassadors of Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Sweden and Ireland -- the countries from which the ships set sail -- and warned them Israel "issued warrants that prohibit the entrance of the vessels to Gaza."

The flotilla "is about to break international law," the ministry's Director General Yossi Gal told the diplomats, adding the coastal enclave "is under the control of a terrorist organisation, which does not prioritise the well-being of the citizens of Gaza."

He also said Israel "declares the flotilla an absolute provocation" and that there is no shortage of humanitarian aid in Gaza.

Israel has vowed to divert the ships to the southern Israeli port of Ashdod, where it will detain the activists before deporting them.

Part of the port has been cordoned off and prepared to deal with the activists. Chemical toilets have been set up as well as large, air-conditioned tents housing immigration booths and areas for people to be searched.

Containers blocked off what appeared to be a holding area, which was covered by tarpaulins to provide shade.

Gal suggested the organisers should voluntarily head to Ashdod to unload the supplies so Israel or humanitarian agencies can deliver them to Gaza overland.

Flotilla organisers rejected the offer.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gThJyXmVmeTtlmLifjNDvaBOlejw

 

[cantsin]

Sorry to hear that you had a friend on the ships. Israel did give clear warning however that the convoy would not get through the blockade.

Why are so many people appearing to support Hamas, an unelected body who took Gaza at gunpoint, rather than Israel who have a democratically elected government? Why support a body that is firing rockets into a civilian population?

ho ho ho ho ho ho ho, AND YOU ACTUALLY EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY ????

we have to ignore this cretinous troll, why let one complete timewaster divert energy on this scale when he doesn't even know the most fundamental, basic facts re: the issue .

embarrassing, truly....

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

fuck your links of verbiage jc3(2/4/????)

what do you think about whats happened?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't think any one wanted to get themselves killed by Israeli forces acting illegally, Johnny.

You approach a police blockade, and as you approach, the police warn you via bullhorn to stop or they will shoot.

You hear them, but continue toward them. What conclusions can be drawn from your actions in continuing in the face of the warning?

 

[gavman]

I think you don't need more than two doctors to get someone sectioned if they are presenting a consistent danger to themselves and others.

just one farmer can shoot a mad dog

 

[agricola]

You approach a police blockade, and as you approach, the police warn you via bullhorn to stop or they will shoot.

You hear them, but continue toward them. What conclusions can be drawn from your actions in continuing in the face of the warning?

JC this argument has some merit if the IDF genuinely believed that the ships were transporting illegal goods and that there was an immediate threat, but it is immediately defeated by the fact that the IDF raided it in international waters and were armed with paintball guns, stun grenades and CS gas.

Of course, when they talk about "illegal goods" they mean cement, and timber, and building materials generally.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

fuck your links of verbiage jc3(2/4/????)

what do you think about whats happened?

I've just started researching it. Work and all before now.

When I first saw it on CNN this morning, I thought, 'terrible - what's going on?' I knew nothing at that point about the many warnings, the alternative landing sites etc.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what really went on. But I'll keep reading things, and continue to form an opinion as I go. Hopefully you'll do the same.



One thing, though. We've seen demonstrated that there are people who will attach bombs to themselves in furtherance of a cause. They become martyrs. Is is so difficult a stretch to think that individuals on that ship were prepared to become martyrs in furtherance of a cause, and thus were fully prepared to sail into the guns, in spite of repeated warnings?

 

[gavman]

What always suprises me is that the most vocal defenders of Israeli state actions are totally unconnected to it by blood or birth etc. Not singling Sass out (he might have connections for all I know) but the repeated r/w vocalists who really have no business defending or endorsing state actions then do.

What have they to gain, where is the vested interest. Very strange.

christian zionists support a jewish state because it's required for their end of days / rapture / armageddon fairy story to come true

 

[Blagsta]

You approach a police blockade, and as you approach, the police warn you via bullhorn to stop or they will shoot.

You hear them, but continue toward them. What conclusions can be drawn from your actions in continuing in the face of the warning?

That's nowhere near what happened. You're another apologist for murder.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

You approach a police blockade, and as you approach, the police warn you via bullhorn to stop or they will shoot.

You hear them, but continue toward them. What conclusions can be drawn from your actions in continuing in the face of the warning?

Except this wasn't 'police' acting legally, but Israeli commandos (albeit laughably incompetent ones) boarding a Turkish flagged ship in international waters illegally.