Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Thank goodness for that.
Is a revolution possible in the UK?
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Thank goodness for that.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
It would be nice to live in a world where progrress and social justice and democracy could be achieved for everyone painlessly. We don't, and those things already happen. A revolution free Britain, for the past 14 years, has seen democide waged against the poorest and most vulnerable costing 300,000 lives. The capitalists local response to a global pandemic they knew was coming led to 200,000 excess deaths all so they could profit. That's more than enough chaos death and destruction for any of us i should imagine.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yeah, I am with you on that.
I would like to see reform to the voting system to provide true democracy, not a bloody revolution.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I don’t suppose you’d care to source those numbers?
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
So you’re attributing pretty much all covid mortality to an insufficient public health response, which in turn you attribute solely to capitalists chasing profits?
JimW
支那暗杀团
Just signed a treaty allying with the DPRK, so could be game on for imposed Juche.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
He was also responsible for stopping Paul Mason from becoming a Labour Party candidate
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I'm attributing our excessive failure to deal with covid on capitalists chasing profits. Obviously some deaths are, grimly, to be expected during a pandemic. The degree is the issue
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Does anyone think a non left revolution could happen in the UK?
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
More likely than a left one, but still highly improbable.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Under the current system, a large proportion of the world's population continues to go hungry; last time I looked, Unicef were saying that around 40,000 kids a day die from malnutrition and poverty related illness; there is more than enough food to feed everyone worldwide; food continues to be destroyed to raise prices; scarcity is enforced. Is this not violence on an industrial scale?
And we haven't even got started on the countless wars over resources, trade routes, strategic geopolitical interests, nor the random state violence in varying degrees depending on which part of the world you live in.
I think social revolution is long overdue.
And by the way, historically, most of the violence during past revolutions has been at the hands of the counter-revolution, i.e. bosses and state forces and their proxies. Most revolutions have been fairly peaceful affairs until the boss class attempts to stamp it out.
ska invita
back on the other side
Depends on what Revolution means - it can be used to describe a lot of different things.
What would revolution in 21st century Britain even look like? One problem is that there is little agreement about even an imagined version of this.
TBF the collapse of the Tories into third place would be a revolution of sorts.
whose streets? our streets!
What would revolution in 21st century Britain even look like? One problem is that there is little agreement about even an imagined version of this.
TBF the collapse of the Tories into third place would be a revolution of sorts.
whose streets? our streets!
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
exactly
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a revolution in your inbox
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join the revolution
The word means nothing more than 'novel and a bit different' nowadays
revolution.. boring
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think you might find that the vast majority of this sort of stuff happens under capitalism in non revolutionary periods tbh
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I know he needs something to do when he retires after the Olympics but I’d have thought he’d have gone for some kind of punditry gig…
Thanks. I'll explain why I was hesitant at first: because I've seen the argument from some leftists that anything to do with feminism or LGBT stuff is a bourgeois concern and that class is the only thing that matters.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And the patriarchal left did a lot of harm with that attitude.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's more revolution in the sense of the wheels on the bus go round round round
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Listen to TalkSport or FiveLive on a Saturday evening after the football. Listen to the anger, passion , engagement and detailed knowledge of the blokes (it’s mostly blokes) who phone in.
That VAR decision was criminal…
Why is manager A playing player X down the middle when everyone knows he’s at his best on the wing…
Why did manager B wait until the 75th minute before bringing Y off the bench….
Why aren’t people in the UK equally passionate and angry about privatised water companies creaming quarterly profits from us. while they happily pour gallons of shit into our rivers and seas?
Why don’t people find it enraging that Facebook, Google etc make millions, nay billions, from the UK but pay little to no tax to the Treasury due to some offshore jiggery-pokery?
“that’s just the way things are innit” shrug
“Politicians? Do me a favour - they’re all as bad as each other”
etc
That VAR decision was criminal…
Why is manager A playing player X down the middle when everyone knows he’s at his best on the wing…
Why did manager B wait until the 75th minute before bringing Y off the bench….
Why aren’t people in the UK equally passionate and angry about privatised water companies creaming quarterly profits from us. while they happily pour gallons of shit into our rivers and seas?
Why don’t people find it enraging that Facebook, Google etc make millions, nay billions, from the UK but pay little to no tax to the Treasury due to some offshore jiggery-pokery?
“that’s just the way things are innit” shrug
“Politicians? Do me a favour - they’re all as bad as each other”
etc
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
They're angry but don't get there's anything they can do. There's an immediate effect to complaining about the match because the next game is seven days away. Fixing the global tax system is too grand, too massive, to have any relevance.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Please elaborate.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It's not that we're told what to think (though if you read the papers and watch telly, we're told what to think quite a lot), but it's more that we're told what to think about and what we can lawfully do about things. The parameters are already pre-set by the rich and powerful. So getting angry about a ref's decision is acceptable, getting angry about, say, Israel bombing Gaza is less acceptable. Moaning about the government is acceptable, doing anything about the government outside of the proper parliamentary channels is unacceptable. Getting angry about greedy landlords is acceptable, wanting to take meaningful action against landlords is unacceptable. Getting angry with the boss is acceptable but going on strike is unacceptable. And the view that the capitalists rob us of surplus value on a daily basis (theft) is perfectly legal and not to be discussed in any way (outside rarified academic circles or on the fringes of the tiny class struggle left).
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Workers getting exploited is acceptable up to a certain point
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well the suggestion is that people are become increasingly bored with far-left wankery on multiple issues, and the somniferous effects of wallies who bang on about leftist ideology like class war; that they're starting to vote for people like Le Pen and Farage instead. Six EU countries (Finland, Slovakia, Italy, Hungary, Croatia, and Czech) already have hard-right governments, so that's kind of a revolution, mainly because people increasingly want to give lefties a wristy.
ska invita
back on the other side
lol endless examples of it in history, literally too many to count
ETA - you edited that out of your post - too slow
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Class war is not ideology, it's a social and economic relationship. Unfortunately, it's a war that's mostly being fought by the capitalists against a working class that is largely unaware of this daily onslaught against them and a system that is rigged. Ironically the ruling class aren't exactly secretive about their one-sided war either. But it's just another thing that it's unacceptable to get angry about. You portraying class war as "leftist ideology" feeds into this.
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