How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[Quartz]

However, I do find it interesting that, according to the link h took on the Vice-Presidency of the The Jewish Leadership Council in 2010 - a year after his diagnosis.

Is that an honorary post or an active one?

But is it possible for him to have a fair trial? Could they do what they did for Margaret Moran? Then at least they could strip him of his titles if he's deemed to have committed the acts.

 

[agricola]

I feel I'm on slightly dodgy ground with this, people with alzheimers should be able to live life to the full.

Ernest Saunders did.

 

[Wilf]

People who are very probably child abusers should get no special dispensation just because they have alzheimers

Oh, I agree. Just that the implication could be taken from what I was saying that someone with alzheimers couldn't be doing things, active in life. Anyway, the biggest issue is why he wasn't prosecuted years ago - and the secondary, but still important issue is whether he could still have been prosecuted say over the last 2 years when he was still 'working'.

 

[Wilf]

Is that an honorary post or an active one?

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almost certainly the former, maybe with a few ceremonials. Just making the point he wasn't obviously 'winding down'.

He's a self important me-me-me self promoter. Must have been a shock to the system when he had to retreat behind the walls of his mansion, literally and metaphorically.

 

[ibilly99]

He'll either get the unmarked grave of Leon Brittan treatment or an exalted place on the Mount of Olives a la Robert Maxwell - my money's on the latter.

Full CPS statement.

http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2015/04/the-decision-not-to-prosecute-lord-janner-statement-from-the-dpp.html

 

[ViolentPanda]

To be fair to the CPS if they had gone after Brittan and Janner and Keith Joseph previously it would/could have caused a lot of anti Semitic problems. Of course they were are guilty as fuck child abusing filth that needed decades in jail but the potential racist backlash would have caused huge issues. Unfortunately above the law whatever the police may correctly believe.

May they burn in hell.

Fear of cries of anti-Semitism had nothing to do with non-prosecution - in fact 2 of the 3 you mention were non-observant and thoroughly culturally-neutral, and so would have been open to accusations of hypocrisy (both from the media and from Jews) if they suddenly tried to play the anti-Semitism card. What very obviously had a lot to do with non-prosecution was a deliberate and long-standing policy by the secret state and the police to mask the misbehaviour of the powerful.
BTW, "Jewish" is no more a race than "Muslim",whatever Gobineau said otherwise.

 

[ViolentPanda]

wtf are you on about. How are you even posting here still? Anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post.

I'm still waiting for him to explain his comments about my "history", and how it might make me Islamophobic.

 

[weltweit]

Saville was unfit to stand trial by dint of being dead, that did not stop a detailed and fairly public investigation, possibly enough to satisfy victims that their voices had been heard. Why not the same sort of treatment for Janner? but now, not waiting till he dies!

 

[maomao]

Saville was unfit to stand trial by dint of being dead, that did not stop a detailed and fairly public investigation, possibly enough to satisfy victims that their voices had been heard. Why not the same sort of treatment for Janner? but now, not waiting till he dies!

The Savile stuff hit the papers because he was dead. It's not so easy to say stuff about living people, especially those rich enough to afford lawyers.

 

[Pickman's model]

Saville was unfit to stand trial by dint of being dead, that did not stop a detailed and fairly public investigation, possibly enough to satisfy victims that their voices had been heard. Why not the same sort of treatment for Janner? but now, not waiting till he dies!

it's very simple. the police protect paedophiles.

 

[maomao]

it's very simple. the police protect paedophiles.

The police protect the rich whether they're paedophiles or not is more like it.

 

[Pickman's model]

The police protect the rich whether they're paedophiles or not is more like it.

it's not just rich paedophiles tho is it

 

[maomao]

it's not just rich paedophiles tho is it

Isn't it? Which poor paedophiles, unconnected to rich and/or powerful paedophiles, have they been protecting?

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't it? Which poor paedophiles, unconnected to rich and/or powerful paedophiles, have they been protecting?

rotherham ring any bells?

 

[Pickman's model]

The police protect the rich whether they're paedophiles or not is more like it.

like they protected alan green or keith best do you mean? or jeremy thorpe?

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't it? Which poor paedophiles, unconnected to rich and/or powerful paedophiles, have they been protecting?

incidentally how rich was savile in the 1970s when knowledge about his proclivities seems to have been fairly widespread in media circles?

 

[maomao]

I don't really want to spam this thread to fuck with a silly argument so briefly:

Rotherham - incompetence, lack of concern for teenage girls who they saw as bringing it on themselves and according to some papers a reluctance to act against the Pakistani community all explain that better than police 'protecting' paedophiles because they were paedophiles.

Don't know who alan green is, Best was treated extremely lightly for fraud (my mate's dad did longer for embezzling a few grand) and Thorpe's murder plot was essentially swept under the carpet.

My original statement was perhaps over simplistic but can be read as 'the legal system protects the powerful and the establishment, most of whom tend to be rich and vice versa'. Would prefer not to be dragged into a game of semanticks on an 'important' thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

maomao either you're ignorant of the complaints agsinst syp alleging corrupt relationships between officers and paedophiles widely reported last month or you know and you'te lying about it. i would prefer to think the former.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't really want to spam this thread to fuck with a silly argument so briefly:

Rotherham - incompetence, lack of concern for teenage girls who they saw as bringing it on themselves and according to some papers a reluctance to act against the Pakistani community all explain that better than police 'protecting' paedophiles because they were paedophiles.

Don't know who alan green is, Best was treated extremely lightly for fraud (my mate's dad did longer for embezzling a few grand) and Thorpe's murder plot was essentially swept under the carpet.

My original statement was perhaps over simplistic but can be read as 'the legal system protects the powerful and the establishment, most of whom tend to be rich and vice versa'. Would prefer not to be dragged into a game of semanticks on an 'important' thread.

oh - and regardless of what you want to argue the police are in no way shorthand for the legal system so your ex post facto explanation er bollocks.

 

[hot air baboon]

...not just the Leics police aghast by the look of this Times article header....." an eleventh hour volte face" apparently....


Law chief blocked child sex abuse trial of peer

Sean O’Neill Crime Editor
Last updated at 12:01AM, April 17 2015

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4414257.ece

Alison Saunders, the director of public prosecutions, personally overruled senior lawyers to block a prosecution of the Labour peer Lord Janner on child abuse charges.
Lead counsel appointed to the case recommended that Lord Janner of Braunstone, QC, who has advanced dementia, should be charged with 16 sex offences against nine alleged victims spanning three decades from the 1960s. Until last month Leicestershire police, who investigated the case and interviewed 25 alleged victims, believed that the Crown Prosecution Service would press charges.

 

[laptop]

Milord in action, Feb 2012. Have a feeling there's a convention that you can use notes in Parliament, but not read things out...

MPs address their speeches to the Speaker or their deputy, using notes only.

The attitude to Lords is more relaxed - though AIUI they're not supposed to read the entire speech. Now I've looked into it I am less clear what the difference is.

Janner would have learned the key points of the speech you quote by heart before the Alzheimers is alleged to have set in

 

[Barking_Mad]

Note especially the final 3 paragraphs.

 

[Wilf]

A bit more detail on the who and when of the case against him being dropped:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...gations-were-not-passed-to-me-former-dpp-says

Ed- Prime Minister Material - Miliband announces that he's 'shocked'. Labour got around to suspending him last Thursday, but he remains a Peer (naturally).

 

[DotCommunist]

Its becoming obvious that while those considered once untouchable (national treasures like rolf USED to be, light entertainers of respectable character once above it etc..) are fair game, theres just a level they are refusing to touch. An politico-aritorcrat layer who are to be allowed a free noncery pass. How much that ties into the OSA, kincora and the 'deep state' I don't even know. But its fucking rank and stinks of 'for the realm, dear boy'

 

[Wilf]

Not just a rhetorical question, I really can't remember, but has a single MP, Minister or inner circle adviser faced a court over any kind of noncery in living memory?

 

[Wilf]

It is at least quite apt that the current dpp is called 'Saunders'.

 

[Wilf]

Its becoming obvious that while those considered once untouchable (national treasures like rolf USED to be, light entertainers of respectable character once above it etc..) are fair game, theres just a level they are refusing to touch. An politico-aritorcrat layer who are to be allowed a free noncery pass. How much that ties into the OSA, kincora and the 'deep state' I don't even know. But its fucking rank and stinks of 'for the realm, dear boy'

Yes, and the ones who are raping kids today will still get away with it.

 

[DotCommunist]

Yes, and the ones who are raping kids today will still get away with it.

theres a line from one od Edwina Curries political diaries where she pens breathlessly about someone who was known as an 'enthusiastic peadophile'. In arch, my school diaries style. Quite the scandal. But nothing to lose your shit over.

these people.

 

[elbows]

I may as well post the actual quote from her book since you've made reference to it a few times of late and I don't like to see Peter Morrison go un-named.

‘One appointment in the recent reshuffle,’ she wrote, ‘has attracted a lot of gossip and could be very dangerous: Peter Morrison has become the PM’s PPS [Parliamentary Private Secretary].

‘Now he’s what they call a “noted pederast”, with a liking for young boys. He admitted as much . . . when he became deputy chairman of the party but added: “However, I’m very discreet” — and he must be!’

‘She [Thatcher] either knows and is taking a chance, or doesn’t; either way, it’s a really dumb move. It scares me, as all the Press know, and as we get closer to the election, someone is going to make trouble very close to her indeed.’

 

[DotCommunist]

I may as well post the actual quote from her book since you've made reference to it a few times of late and I don't like to see Peter Morrison go un-named.

thanks for that. Its just amongst the litany of wrong the attitude displayed in the writing style still managed to shock me. They just don't give a shit.