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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

I double checked what I'd just been saying about a lack of historical rumours in relation to the recently reported labour minister case. I was almost right, there are some vague signs that rumours have probably existed for a very long time, but have rarely been committed to print/internet in the way others were. So it might be possible to find a few very brief mentions on some corners of the net, but with pretty much no detail and easy to completely miss due to lack of context or evidence, and by virtue of being extremely hard to distinguish from other sloppy, mostly-fact-free dot-joining type 'guilt by association' stuff.

The mirror story has probably encouraged a few to hint in a more obvious way, but no twitter storm or anything close, nor anything I can touch right now.
 
So is anyone here familiar with how abuse relating to Lambeth council has been reported over the years? Its only been in recent years that I've been aware of how the likes of the Mirror occasionally report on it in the post-Savile context.

I mean these days other recent Mirror stories relating to Lambeth have mostly focussed on the murder of Bulic Forsythe and the removal of Clive Driscoll from the case. These have all been posted on this thread before but I guess I may as well try to link to them all again, along with the most recent article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-mp-cover-up-claim-detective-1785273
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bulic-forsythe-killed-protect-paedophile-3578788
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-blairs-minister-accused-helping-3822224
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alleged-labour-politician-paedophile-ring-3830709
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-investigating-claims-minister-tony-4342268

Probably missed a few but those give a good overview of the various strands of suspicion of cover-up that people have long been focussing on without getting into who the politician in question is.
 
bluescreen said:
A lot of anti-Semitism out there on teh interwebs. Vile and distracting. Race isn't an issue but power is.
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Sadly yes, which is one of the reasons it's rare for me to link to some blogs that cover the topic of this thread. That and homophobia, both of which are used not just to reinforce the existing prejudices of writers, readers and/or commenters on the blogs, but also as an easy mechanism for sloppy dot-joining of certain people to events or known/suspected offenders. That they happen to turn out to be sort of right for the wrong reasons in some cases will only re-inforce their ugly worldview.
 
elbows said:
So is anyone here familiar with how abuse relating to Lambeth council has been reported over the years? Its only been in recent years that I've been aware of how the likes of the Mirror occasionally report on it in the post-Savile context.

I mean these days other recent Mirror stories relating to Lambeth have mostly focussed on the murder of Bulic Forsythe and the removal of Clive Driscoll from the case. These have all been posted on this thread before but I guess I may as well try to link to them all again, along with the most recent article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-mp-cover-up-claim-detective-1785273
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bulic-forsythe-killed-protect-paedophile-3578788
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-blairs-minister-accused-helping-3822224
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alleged-labour-politician-paedophile-ring-3830709
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-investigating-claims-minister-tony-4342268

Probably missed a few but those give a good overview of the various strands of suspicion of cover-up that people have long been focussing on without getting into who the politician in question is.
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If a tenth of this is true it's beyond appalling.
 
Child sex claims, a police 'cover-up' and troubling questions for a Labour peer: This special report reveals the full extent of the deeply disturbing allegations against ex-MP Greville Janner

Lord Janner is a life peer after representing Leicester as an MP for 30 years
Had his home searched last year as part of high-profile paedophile probe
His office was also searched into historic abuse claims linked to care homes
Now alleged that inquiry into the former MP was blocked by senior officers
It has been reported that the Labour peer is suffering from severe dementia

By GUY ADAMS FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 22:20, 3 October 2014 | UPDATED: 09:22, 4 October 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...llegations-against-ex-MP-Greville-Janner.html
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Twelve more public figures including politicians and police are being investigated by over claims of historic sex abuse
  • At least another dozen people 'to be considered over allegations of abuse'
  • Policeman, politicians and civil servants among the new 'suspects'
  • Source said suspects have 'more to lose' than celebrities arrested already
  • Metropolitan Police said Operation Yewtree had made no further arrests
  • Force does not discuss ongoing investigations before arrests are made
Twelve more public figures including senior policeman and politicians are being investigated over claims of historic sex abuse, sources have revealed.

Civil servants and local authority chiefs are also among the suspects being considered by police across the UK it was claimed, over allegations of abuse between the Fifites and the Eighties.

Their names have been passed on to Operation Yewtree among other forces by the investigative reporter who exposed the sustained abuse of children by Jimmy Savile in a documentary two years ago.

Mark Williams Thomas said that unlike those arrested already, new suspects are not celebrities but law makers and enforcers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-investigated-claims-historic-sex-abuse.htmlhttp://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=DailyMail

http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=DailyMail
 
DaveCinzano said:
BBC Northern Ireland's Spotlight programme has a special on Kincora, apparently featuring new evidence on the MI5 angle, tonight.

Trailer:

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The Northern Irish part of my Twitter feed is currently blowing up about this...

See Lyra McKee and Mick Fealty for a taste, or check hashtags #SpotlightNI and #kincora.

Should be on iPlayer soon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kp7l8
 
MI5 again. Who would have thought?

Anyway, it will be instructive to see if the reactionary press goes to town on MI5 and the relevant loyalist factions nearly as much as they did on the BBC, Muslims or what they define as "political correctness". I doubt it. For Britains biggest bullies, the outrage about victims will probably be in strict proportion to their political usefulness.
 
Separate issue entirely, but wouldn't want to start another thread on it, related to Irish politics/history.

That TARA group mentioned in the doc. It's an odd name for loyalists if it's named after the hill of Tara where once the high kings of Ireland were crowned. Maybe it means something else, does anyone know? And the "For God and Ireland" banners. How does that sentiment fit in with virulent loyalism?

Is it that they wanted to take back all Ireland for protestantism and the British crown?
 
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taffboy gwyrdd said:
Is it that they wanted to take back all Ireland for protestantism and the British crown?
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Pretty much, including reclaiming the symbols of Irish culture. There's a lot of fascinating detail in Chris Moore's now out of print book about Kincora. (Obviously it's necessary to draw a distinction between TARA's stated views and the practical role of William McGrath, it's leader and ideologue, as an agent of the Security Services. However he'd scarcely be the first to hold eccentric right wing political and religious views).

ETA: McGrath held a version of British Israelite views and among some British Israelites there was a tradition that the Hill of Tara was the site of the Ark of the Covenant. They had even conducted excavations to find it many years before. The choice of name may have had implications beyond its specifically Irish symbolism.
 
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taffboy gwyrdd said:
Thanks Lurdan, never a dull moment with occult weirdness.

Anyway, I've been waiting to see how the press and other reactionaries would react to last nights revalations about MI5. Fuck all.

And now this

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oliticians-at-top-of-westminster-9587642.html

Will they go to war on Gove, or do some victims matter more than others? I think by now we know.
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That's from July. It's gove talking on the hoof and he later had to take it back. You'd be far better off directing your interests at where has the promised inquiry gone since it was set up (you remember it being set up right? And a wonky chair? And another one?)
 
Yes, sorry Butchers. Should have checked the date. Overall I'm skeptical that the inquiry will go too near Mi5. Also it needs to be hoofed suffieciently to prevent anything too damaging before the General Election.

Most notably, the government only caved in to an inquiry when Leon Brittan was found out with regard to the paedo file. Then they say "ok, time to clear the air and look at EVERYONE" precisely because the attention was very much on them. Classic smokescreening.
 
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