How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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brogdale
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I know it's the Mail, but a lot of that is pretty desperate stuff...especially the Harman point. That said, the Governorship of school allegedly facing accusations does look like a clear conflict of interests.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
After the No campaign's spectacular 'pissing on their own chips' by digging out Brown to remind Labour voters just what a heap of excrement NL were(are)...they've struck comedy gold with Moyes pitching in....
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...nce-referendum-football-legends-unite-4173636
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...nce-referendum-football-legends-unite-4173636
ruffneck23
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was about to post this...
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
So shes mates amd neighbours with leon brittain?
jesus fucking christ. It took them - what - four weeks? to make this appointment. did they think nobody would notice?
Their blatant footdragging and deliberate sabotaging of the enquiry is staggering.
jesus fucking christ. It took them - what - four weeks? to make this appointment. did they think nobody would notice?
Their blatant footdragging and deliberate sabotaging of the enquiry is staggering.
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ruffneck23
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I think they thought the nasty Rotheram business would make the people forget 
Was Edward Heath a paedophile - the reliable needleblog suggests he might have been.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/edward-heath-the-paedophile-prime-minister/
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/edward-heath-the-paedophile-prime-minister/
elbows
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Most blogs like that aren't very careful to distinguish between issues related to the size of the 'gay closet' in the Tory party, and paedophilia.
Certainly when it comes to Heath, there isn't much in the public domain that any of us can use to draw conclusions beyond the likelihood that he was gay. Some are desperate to use his love of yatching to connect him with various stories about abuse at a matching-child 'charity', Jersey and other stuff. But its all rather tenuous, worthy of further exploration by anyone in a position to dig deeper, but who exactly is in such a position? Not me, so I keep an open mind about that stuff.
Certainly when it comes to Heath, there isn't much in the public domain that any of us can use to draw conclusions beyond the likelihood that he was gay. Some are desperate to use his love of yatching to connect him with various stories about abuse at a matching-child 'charity', Jersey and other stuff. But its all rather tenuous, worthy of further exploration by anyone in a position to dig deeper, but who exactly is in such a position? Not me, so I keep an open mind about that stuff.
elbows
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Sorry for another Daily Mail link but some parts of Gyles Brandreths updated book are quite interesting. For now I will skip the bit where he details the stuff that happened to him at boarding school, since although it raises some issues there is something else here that is going to grab more attention....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reveals-years-abuse-endured-prep-school.html
Brandreth goes on to find all sorts of cover-up possibilities unthinkable, but I think he said enough there to give fresh life to the Morrison & Hague dimensions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reveals-years-abuse-endured-prep-school.html
Brandreth goes on to find all sorts of cover-up possibilities unthinkable, but I think he said enough there to give fresh life to the Morrison & Hague dimensions.
Casually Red
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while weve heard of kincora before it also appears that a number of young girls were abused by police and military while in care homes outside belfast
"Aside from Kincora, which I have referred to previously, I have also met recently with a group of women who have alleged that they were sexually abused by members of the security forces in Lissue Children's Hospital in Lisburn." Ms Long also voiced similar concerns about the east Antrim home.
"These allegations are of an extremely sensitive nature but involve the security forces and others in the abuse of young and vulnerable girls," she said.
Ms Long (below) added: "I do not believe abuse which took place in Northern Ireland involved only victims and perpetrators from Northern Ireland.
"There have been suggestions of children being moved between different locations where abuse took place and also perpetrators – largely members of the security forces and senior public figures – who visited several homes and locations of abuse.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-in-northern-ireland-in-the-70s-30565691.html
"Aside from Kincora, which I have referred to previously, I have also met recently with a group of women who have alleged that they were sexually abused by members of the security forces in Lissue Children's Hospital in Lisburn." Ms Long also voiced similar concerns about the east Antrim home.
"These allegations are of an extremely sensitive nature but involve the security forces and others in the abuse of young and vulnerable girls," she said.
Ms Long (below) added: "I do not believe abuse which took place in Northern Ireland involved only victims and perpetrators from Northern Ireland.
"There have been suggestions of children being moved between different locations where abuse took place and also perpetrators – largely members of the security forces and senior public figures – who visited several homes and locations of abuse.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-in-northern-ireland-in-the-70s-30565691.html
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Horrors.
Do you think UK security services were/are uniquely concupiscent and corrupt? No, me neither.
Do you think UK security services were/are uniquely concupiscent and corrupt? No, me neither.
1%er
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The Waterhouse inquiry
The North Wales child abuse scandal was the subject of a three-year, £13 million investigation into the physical and sexual abuse of children in care homes in the counties of Clwyd and Gwynedd, in North Wales, including the Bryn Estyn children's home at Wrexham, between 1974 and 1990.
In 1996, the then Secretary of State for Wales, William Hague, ordered a Tribunal of Inquiry into allegations. Were the "Terms of Reference" so narrow that no one in a position of power or outside the "care" system was looked into?
The inquire led to eight prosecutions and seven convictions, all former care workers.
This document a pdf gives details of a number of reports including:
The Cartrefle inquiry
The Jillings inquiry
The Waterhouse Report
The North Wales child abuse scandal was the subject of a three-year, £13 million investigation into the physical and sexual abuse of children in care homes in the counties of Clwyd and Gwynedd, in North Wales, including the Bryn Estyn children's home at Wrexham, between 1974 and 1990.
In 1996, the then Secretary of State for Wales, William Hague, ordered a Tribunal of Inquiry into allegations. Were the "Terms of Reference" so narrow that no one in a position of power or outside the "care" system was looked into?
The inquire led to eight prosecutions and seven convictions, all former care workers.
This document a pdf gives details of a number of reports including:
The Cartrefle inquiry
The Jillings inquiry
The Waterhouse Report
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Covered extensively on this thread already. First mentioned in october 2012
elbows
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Exaro news got excited that the details in Brandreth's updated book would cause problems for the tories at their conference. But I haven't noticed much fallout since the Mail reported the detail. Not even here, where opportunities to scrutinise Hague aren't usually missed.
1%er
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I covered it "again" as it came up in the posts above with regard to Brandreth's updated book and as you point out it was almost a years ago, so some may have forgotten about it.
Good to see you have become the thread policeman, evening officer
I will consider myself well and truly told off and meteorically slapped on the back of my legs.
1%er
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More news about Lord Janner of Braunstone (Greville Janner former Labout MP)
Labour peer Lord Janner of Braunstone, QC is an appalling reminder of the establishments apathy toward victims of child abuse.
How can this man, who currently has over 20 outstanding allegations of child sexual abuse against boys as young as 7 years old, remain a Queens Council, a status conferred by the Crown?
The answer is simple. Greville Janner is an establishment figure who has been, and still is, protected by the establishment.
More here
The Police Were Forbade From Investigating Lord Janner In 1989, an investigation into child abuse allegations against a prominent politician 25 years ago was blocked, one of the country’s most senior police officers has revealed.
More here
Lord Janner, Too Ill To Face Justice But Well enough To Legislate?
Lord Janner was attending the House of Lords and claiming expenses every other day right up until Dec 2013 when police raided his home.
Then he got dementia.
When the police sent a criminal file containing evidence of over 20 allegations of child sexual abuse to the CPS they decided not to prosecute, not because there was not enough evidence but because he was too ill and it was therefore “not in the public interest”.
And yet, Lord Janner can still attend Parliament and vote on legislation if he wishes too.
Lord Janner is too ill to be accountable to the law of the land but he is well enough to make the law of the land.
Labour peer Lord Janner of Braunstone, QC is an appalling reminder of the establishments apathy toward victims of child abuse.
How can this man, who currently has over 20 outstanding allegations of child sexual abuse against boys as young as 7 years old, remain a Queens Council, a status conferred by the Crown?
The answer is simple. Greville Janner is an establishment figure who has been, and still is, protected by the establishment.
More here
The Police Were Forbade From Investigating Lord Janner In 1989, an investigation into child abuse allegations against a prominent politician 25 years ago was blocked, one of the country’s most senior police officers has revealed.
More here
Lord Janner, Too Ill To Face Justice But Well enough To Legislate?
Lord Janner was attending the House of Lords and claiming expenses every other day right up until Dec 2013 when police raided his home.
Then he got dementia.
When the police sent a criminal file containing evidence of over 20 allegations of child sexual abuse to the CPS they decided not to prosecute, not because there was not enough evidence but because he was too ill and it was therefore “not in the public interest”.
And yet, Lord Janner can still attend Parliament and vote on legislation if he wishes too.
Lord Janner is too ill to be accountable to the law of the land but he is well enough to make the law of the land.
Because we presume innocence until proven guilty.
How convenient. I would like to see this diagnosis confirmed.
Not now he's got dementia, though? Right? Right?
hot air baboon
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1%er
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I was just quoting from the links I posted.Because we presume innocence until proven guilty.
How convenient. I would like to see this diagnosis confirmed.
Not now he's got dementia, though? Right? Right?
The presumption of innocents seems to depend on the person being accused on this board
(who is the "we" in your first line 
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Lurdan
old wave
Mirror update on ongoing story :
Police investigating claims minister in Tony Blair government abused vulnerable children in the 80s
And a David Hancke blog about Alan Franey - Tory deputy leader of Welwyn Council and formerly General Manager at Broadmoor and friend of Jimmy Saville - who is facing a no confidence motion today over what is said about him in the official report into Saville's activities at Broadmoor. He is apparently expected to survive this vote.
http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/20...-who-gave-jimmy-savile-the-keys-to-broadmoor/
Police investigating claims minister in Tony Blair government abused vulnerable children in the 80s
And a David Hancke blog about Alan Franey - Tory deputy leader of Welwyn Council and formerly General Manager at Broadmoor and friend of Jimmy Saville - who is facing a no confidence motion today over what is said about him in the official report into Saville's activities at Broadmoor. He is apparently expected to survive this vote.
http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/20...-who-gave-jimmy-savile-the-keys-to-broadmoor/
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'd hope so too. he can be put to death later.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
qc = queen's counsel, not council. janner is not a committee (i think).
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Holy shit....again...
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5377/catholic-school-s-child-psychotherapist-exposed-as-paedophile
And Exaro are saying that tomorrow they intend to reveal the author's clash with Gove, in his then role as Sec State for Ed.
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5377/catholic-school-s-child-psychotherapist-exposed-as-paedophile
And Exaro are saying that tomorrow they intend to reveal the author's clash with Gove, in his then role as Sec State for Ed.
elbows
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There is a trace of how the press reported this back in 1996 here:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CATHO...EX+PROBE;+Ex-pupils+complain+to...-a061340069
elbows
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Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think you will find much of the usual madness when searching for someone that fits that bill. Unless I overlooked someone I think this one, if it leads to a case that allows us to mention a name and at least have a bit of a conversation about it, will break new ground. In that it will be one of the few political ones that wasn't heavily rumoured and even insinuated about in print at the time, and therefore hasn't been subject to the same internet scrutiny of historical shit in recent years, neither wacky or sensible. Whether there were any word of mouth rumours within small subsets of society at the time I cannot say. If a great swathe of the media world knew the gossip at the time then they did a better job than with many cases of not insinuating about it in a smutty way.
There are some very early, tentative signs that this may be starting to change though, at least one or two blogs may now be sniffing around without actually claiming anything specific or even making links between their interest in that person and other recent news.
There are some very early, tentative signs that this may be starting to change though, at least one or two blogs may now be sniffing around without actually claiming anything specific or even making links between their interest in that person and other recent news.
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