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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Fighting a losing battle methinks - rather like Brazil - truth will out.


If we look at Kincora, which was similar, MI5 framed their own, to protect others. I don't think the truth will come out from an inquiry, this is the British establishment you are dealing with, they wont give themselves up. This is the third time this stuff has come around, first in the 80s then in 92, when Chris Fay was threatened with a gun by Special branch, now back again. It was back then a famous Batchelor boy, youthful pop star who has a super injunction out now against any links to him and the Elms, was exposed as using the pseudonym "Doris" at the Elms. Its been around donkeys years, private eye first exposed it in the mid eighties.

But they have been outed due to the internet.
 
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Although, to give her her due, she does have a good record on childrens' issues.
Absolutely - and given the limited gene pool if you restrict this to judges and former permanent secretaries, she's the obvious choice. But given the focus on establishment cover ups it's not a great starting point to give the gig to the sister of one of the cover-uppistes. What's next, Peter Suttclife's Nan chairing his parole hearing?
 
I can't even see them giving limited access to them, without the files having been redacted into worthlessness.


MI5/16 are corrupt and undemocratic organisations, their first duty is the defence of the realm. The fact they are staffed by nonces in league with establishment nonces who they protect is really no great surprise. It was only two years back one of them was found dead in a bag, with 20k worth of womens clothing in the wardrobe, hardly normal behaviour.

I suspect public schools warp these fuckers, with their weird rituals, fagging, using younger kids as servants/slaves etc.
 
Leon Brittan never sued when Private eye first made the allegation in the 80s.

IIRC, Brittan didn't sue because Richard Ingrams (then-editor of PE) made very clear in print that Private Eye didn't believe the rumours relating to Brittan. Given Ingrams's establishment connections, I suspect that a "friend of a friend" gave him the supposedly-straigh dope on Brittan, and Ingrams ran with it.
 
'Clerk, where are we up to, which bit of the story is the Independent Panel looking at today?'

'Errrm, the bit where your brother tried to stop Geoffrey Dickens naming names m'lady'.

'My brother y'say? He's was an excellent chap, this should be over by 12, I will make lunch at the Atheneum'.

Does the Atheneum allow diners who don't have penises nowadays, then?
 
Its funny how these child abuse files always get lost.

A dossier of sexual abuse allegations against Sir Cyril Smith, the late Liberal Democrat MP, which police claimed was "lost" was actually seized by MI5, according to a former special branch officer.




Theres a strong chance those missing original files on MPs and child abuse have actually been seized by MI5. Very much doubt they would admit it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...il-Smith-sex-abuse-dossier-seized-by-MI5.html
 
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Of course, needless to say, from the point of view of the establishment she's also an excellent appointment.
100% agree, and IMHO this is the sort of detail that should get people out on the streets, marching and waving placards - don't treat us like idiots, we know you are covering this up. Don't expect us all to fall for your flim-flam.
 
Some MP,on the radio just now, has said (about Elizabeth Butler Schloss) what if there is a link found between her brother during the inquiry and what went on back then? He hurriedly said he had no reason whatsoever to think that would be so but.....
 
Leon Brittan never sued when Private eye first made the allegation in the 80s.

Nothing substantial about this in this week's Private Eye apart from a page 1 quote from its 1984 article as referred to in Post 2620 above concerning the rumours surrounding Leon Brittan (who's name crops up yet again) .

But strangely it omits the bit where it says that they are completely unfounded.

Oh, and an oblique reference to, by photograph, William Hague.
 
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the automatic, unquestioning deference shown to butler-schloss even by those criticsing her appointment is sickening. "She was a highly respected judge - her family were highly respected - she is, of course, beyond any suspicion of impartiality" etc etc. No-one hints at the obvious suspicion of blatant nepotism in how she got to be a senior judge in the first place.

But its exactly this unquestioning acceptance of these people's authority which allows the cunts to get away with the worst shit imaginable.

The obvious choice to lead the enquiry into shit like this - assuming you actually wanted it to be halfway effective - would be someone with a track record of taking on establishment dodginess - i.e. michael mansfield or Imran Khan.
 
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the automatic, unquestioning deference shown to butler-schloss even by those criticsing her appointment is sickening. "Shew as a highly respected judge - her family were highly respected - she is, of course, beyond any suspicion of impartiality" etc etc. No-one hints at the obvious suspicion of blatant nepotism in how she got to be a senior judge in the first place.
But its exactly this unquestioning acceptance of these people's authority which allows the cunts to get away with the worst shit imaginable.

The obvious choice to lead the enquiry into shit like this - assuming you actually wanted it to be halfway effective - would be someone with a tack record of taking on establishment dodginess - i.e. michael mansfield or Imran Khan.
Radio 4's just wheeled out Nigel Havers to give her a bit of smooth caddish support. Fuck me, who's next, the Havers family dog?
 
Even though it was a long time ago, her assertion that she had no idea her brother was a key player in (presumably) stopping Dickens going public is a bit suspicious. She might not have discussed it with him, but as a senior judge in the 1980s it would have been pretty obvious to her that the fuckin' Attorney General would have been involved at the point Dickens started threatening to name names (ditto in terms of the Brittan allegations).
 
In fact they're probably being fabricated as we speak.

I very much doubt MI5 is about to throw open its doors to the general public to have a root around the files or that there was anything in May’s statement on Wednesday they didn’t already know about.

They also know exactly the lines Watson, Danczuk et al are perusing as they will be bugged, as will many of their associates.

Perhaps they do keep “two sets of books”.

But in questions to Theresa May the day before yesterday there were four specific questions from MPs about the role of the security services.

And they weren’t the usual “Would the Right Honourable member agree with me that MI5 do a wonderful job in protecting the nation” variety either.

All I was suggesting is that it is now harder for the security services to say we haven’t got the files or we can’t release them on the grounds of national security than in the past. That’s not to say they won’t try it.

But if you’d have asked the average person in the street at the height of the Troubles who Fred Holroyd was they’d have probably said he was a character in Coronation Street such was the level of disinterest amongst the general public about what the secret state was up at that time.

Even if they did know they would have probably shrugged their shoulders and said the IRA were fair game anyway.

Now practically everyone knows about the allegations of child abuse by senior politicians - a crime the public are much less forgiving about - making that much harder for there to be a cover up, certainly after Tebbit effectively let the cat out of the bag last Sunday and Tom Watson and some of his colleagues continue to ask awkward questions in the public arena.

I think Kalfindin’s post 381 is closer to the mark - some will be sacrificed to protect others.

Although they will then have to answer the question of why they didn’t do anything about the abuse they knew of at the time.
 
The inquiry hasn't started yet, but the ridiculous denials have already started:

Lady Butler-Sloss said she was unaware of her brother's role as Attorney General during the paedophile controversy in the 1980s
 
the automatic, unquestioning deference shown to butler-schloss even by those criticsing her appointment is sickening. "She was a highly respected judge - her family were highly respected - she is, of course, beyond any suspicion of impartiality" etc etc. No-one hints at the obvious suspicion of blatant nepotism in how she got to be a senior judge in the first place.

But its exactly this unquestioning acceptance of these people's authority which allows the cunts to get away with the worst shit imaginable.

The obvious choice to lead the enquiry into shit like this - assuming you actually wanted it to be halfway effective - would be someone with a track record of taking on establishment dodginess - i.e. michael mansfield or Imran Khan.

I'm judging her purely on the basis of her work record. I think she should recuse herself if there's any possibility she'll be influenced by familial considerations.
 
I very much doubt MI5 is about to throw open its doors to the general public to have a root around the files or that there was anything in May’s statement on Wednesday they didn’t already know about.

They also know exactly the lines Watson, Danczuk et al are perusing as they will be bugged, as will many of their associates.

Perhaps they do keep “two sets of books”.

We know that, historically, they have maintained "white" and "black" records, so it's not exactly a stretch.

But in questions to Theresa May the day before yesterday there were four specific questions from MPs about the role of the security services.

And they weren’t the usual “Would the Right Honourable member agree with me that MI5 do a wonderful job in protecting the nation” variety either.

All I was suggesting is that it is now harder for the security services to say we haven’t got the files or we can’t release them on the grounds of national security than in the past. That’s not to say they won’t try it.

As I've said, I think they'll release files. I'm just not sanguine that the information in the files won't have been carefully constructed by MI5's incredibly-efficient docu-forgers.

But if you’d have asked the average person in the street at the height of the Troubles who Fred Holroyd was they’d have probably said he was a character in Coronation Street such was the level of disinterest amongst the general public about what the secret state was up at that time.

True.
Not everyone is a sick suspicious fuck like thee or me, more's the pity!

Even if they did know they would have probably shrugged their shoulders and said the IRA were fair game anyway.

Now practically everyone knows about the allegations of child abuse by senior politicians - a crime the public are much less forgiving about - making that much harder for there to be a cover up, certainly after Tebbit effectively let the cat out of the bag last Sunday and Tom Watson and some of his colleagues continue to ask awkward questions in the public arena.

I think Kalfindin’s post 381 is closer to the mark - some will be sacrificed to protect others.

it's always the way. We'll possibly have one (presumably-dead) "Big fish", plus a couple of live minnows, and then all the rest will be brushed under the carpet until everything boils over another generation down the line.

Although they will then have to answer the question of why they didn’t do anything about the abuse they knew of at the time.

Unfortunately, I can see a few holes they can crawl though with regard to that. Blaming a dead superior for telling you "don't look into that" always plays well, as does playing the Saundersitis card - "sorry, I don't remember. I have dementia and my long-term memory has eroded at a shocking rate".
 
A purpose?

Sorry, I didn't realise we needed mission statements...

All a bit serious, no?

Tell you what, point me in the direction of yours butchers and I'll try and knock something up (oo'er!!) appropriate.
 
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