How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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Cover up without doubt on the way.
All blame will be laid at the door of some long deceased scumbucket.
All will be well in the island of Angels, we can all sleep a little less soundly in our beds tonight.
Peter Morrison - noted pederast will do nicely - I used to work in the Department of Energy when he was minister - he was always pissed and surrounded by blue eyed blonde young men in his Private Office.
One of the more famous names on the list is using the EU right to be forgotten ruling to remove some of the gossip about him, I've been comparing Google search results with those obtained via a US proxy where the ruling doesn't apply. So they are obviously concerned about this stuff but don't want to take it to court.
One of the more famous names on the list is using the EU right to be forgotten ruling to remove some of the gossip about him, I've been comparing Google search results with those obtained via a US proxy where the ruling doesn't apply. So they are obviously concerned about this stuff but don't want to take it to court.
Fighting a losing battle methinks - rather like Brazil - truth will out.
weltweit
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The list is certainly interesting (although not much background info) but the website it is on seems a little less credible.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Yes, probably, i recall that mary moss worked closely with chris fay in exposing this stuff and was, i believe, the source of the list
more of her documents here *removed*
more of her documents here *removed*
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elbows
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Certainly all of that stuff too. And I wasn't trying to imply that rent boy = under age. The changing laws regarding age of consent for gay male sexual activity is certainly a complication which can come up quite a bit when dealing with the specific subset of 'rent boy' stuff which I was getting at.
Specifically, the number of cases we have either heard about in the mainstream media (the original North Wales care home stuff that grabbed most of the attention initially) or via longstanding rumours. And the abuse-related vectors that put some people on that path. And any changes that have occurred both specifically to that stuff and more generally regarding male prostitution since the eras the historical allegations encompass.
To give just one very small and specific example, I don't think I've got that much idea exactly how old the boys that Peter Morrison was involved with were, or how such things would be treated today.
More broadly, societies failure to routinely and frankly discuss wider issues relating to age of consent and sex workers with a sustained clarity and depth, makes it even harder to have more specific discussions. The foundations for this discussion are weak and don't seem to be able to sustain a heavier conversation without repeated risk of collapse into one or another horrible mess. Including when people like me try to bring it up without using so many words as to ensure the subject is done justice and I don't come across as having some kinds of dodgy attitude towards either matters of sexuality or sex work.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
That's a neo Nazi blog.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
is it?Well i don't read it, it just came up in google. Honestly.
The pictures are interesting but I will take down the link as I wouldn't want to increase their traffic and I'm sure they can be found elsewhere.
It's also hard to make much out in the pictures
elbows
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Just search the thread for NAYPIC if you want my often-repeated description of the list, in terms of who made it, what it is and isn't.
One thing I probably haven't said umpteen times before is that I would not be at all surprised if certain journalists had been shown that list at various times over the decades since it was compiled. Certain historical press reports certainly suggest a strikingly similar list of alleged abusers were mentioned back in the day, although only the already disgraced or deceased were mentioned by name rather than vaguer descriptions of their position in society.
One thing I probably haven't said umpteen times before is that I would not be at all surprised if certain journalists had been shown that list at various times over the decades since it was compiled. Certain historical press reports certainly suggest a strikingly similar list of alleged abusers were mentioned back in the day, although only the already disgraced or deceased were mentioned by name rather than vaguer descriptions of their position in society.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Well i don't read it, it just came up in google. Honestly.
The pictures are interesting but I will take down the link as I wouldn't want to increase their traffic and I'm sure they can be found elsewhere.
It's also hard to make much out in the pictures
Have a look at their "about" page.
http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/about/
And as noted above the alleged list is very old and frequently posted - usually in very dodgy places.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Well for me, as I have been completely ignorant of the supposed identities it was surprising. Is it not credible then?
I'll remove the link if you lot think it muddies the waters or is not credible.
Lurdan
old wave
Sheen contacted the FBI who eventually turned up on the doorstep of the late Chas Balun. When they explained why they were there he asked them if they had watched the end of the tape. It contained a 'making of' documentary showing how the special effects had been done.
Well i don't read it, it just came up in google. Honestly.
The pictures are interesting but I will take down the link as I wouldn't want to increase their traffic and I'm sure they can be found elsewhere.
It's also hard to make much out in the pictures
I guessed it was at the first mention of "jews" which is in the first sentence.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Oh dear
Puddy_Tat
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I'm pretty sure it's been linked to on this thread a few times. Maybe from that site, maybe from others.
it's not entirely helpful that some of the sites making much of this whole issue are also virulently homophobic and / or anti-semitic and trying to make the story fit their shitty agendas.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Yes, well, that's a lesson sharply learned.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
I'm sorry then to be raking over old ground. I've not read the whole thread, I believe I read a few pages at the very beginning and my response was that of mind boggled disbelief.So I stopped reading. It was not until yesterday that I truly paid attention to all of this so I hope you will excuse me and my internet naivety.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Or your common or garden conspiraloons ...
There are some who don't turn out, when the paint's scratched off, to fit the above description?
The most interesting name on the list is "Gary Walker, " aka Sean O Callaghan an IRA/MI5 informer.
The list comes from the evidence in this video. From Chris Fay, former head of the nat assoc of young people in care and evidence he got from the woman who owned the Elms b and b.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wasn't there some story about when he was staying with ruth dudley edwards about sexual shenanigans?
Correct he went to a pub In Earls court, picked up a rent boy, brought him home, got tied up and robbed. Claimed it was all innocent.
The fact he is named by his MI5 codename shows the list could be authentic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh that's the one.
Or disinformation.
Or the name leaked out of MI5 in some other context.
Or... what's the source for it being his codename anyway?
Or...
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Regardless of how true the list is, it will be interesting to see if the announcement of inquiries emboldens other sites to repeat it. What happens after that will be even more interesting. Will any of the (living) people named do a Lord McAlpine, or will it spread? Can't see the mainstream media printing it in full to be honest, but there might be a few indirect references.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
do you mean will any of them become tory treasurer?
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