How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[Dan U]

I must admit that when the Mail started its PIE stories, I did wonder about the timing and whether something Tory-related was about to happen. But since I had no clue as to what it could be, I decided that I was just being cynical.

you weren't the only one.

 

[1%er]

Every insinuation negotiated word-by-word with the lawyers...



Not an effective guard against anyone with the wealth to use good lawyers. Just a deterrent to the lower class of accused kicking up - and sometimes a reminder of the Wilde Principle.



That has very little to do with libel. Repeating a libel can be as serious as being the first to publish. Are you thinking of Official Secrets in the 1960s?

what a law abiding bunch the British press appear to be

 

[laptop]

what a law abiding bunch the British press appear to be

We seem to have a basic misunderstanding.

The law is a poker game.

Especially the civil law.

Most especially the civil law of defamation.

Losing your shirt is a bad plan.

Losing your boss's shirt is an especially bad plan.

Therefore, those with pockets deep enough to keep raising the stakes get handled with care. Everyone else may get libelled at any time.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We seem to have a basic misunderstanding.

The law is a poker game.

Especially the civil law.

Most especially the civil law of defamation.

Losing your shirt is a bad plan.

Losing your boss's shirt is an especially bad plan.

Therefore, those with pockets deep enough to keep raising the stakes get handled with care. Everyone else may get libelled at any time.

Setting fire to your boss's shirt while they're wearing it, on the other hand...

 

[frogwoman]

 

[exiledinwales]

Better but not as funny...



Shows you can have quite an impact when you confront the ruling Oxbridge clique.

 

[kenny g]

WTF is all that shite about the £ Sonia is on about?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Seemed like a bunch of crank economic stuff?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Grim:

Police investigating sexual abuse at a Durham detention centre say they believe they have uncovered an organised paedophile ring operating in the 1970s and 80s with more than 500 potential victims.

The head of a 70-strong major inquiry into historical abuse at the Medomsley detention centre, near Consett, told the Guardian the inquiry was triggered by mounting evidence about isolated individuals. However, they were now investigating a complex paedophile ring, with many more victims than previously thought.

...Nearly 100 men who had come forward were already receiving therapy via a local sexual assault referral centre and others had sought support from the children's charity NSPCC.

...In 2009, the then Labour government paid out a total of £512,000 in compensation to 12 Medomsley victims. For six years, the Home Office had fought compensation claims, using the statute of limitations to avoid payment in a costly legal fight that went all the way to the House of Lords, and even suggesting that one victim was "genetically predisposed" to being abused.

Those who were compensated hoped for an apology from the government, but the then home secretary, Jack Straw, told them "the terms of the agreement did not include an apology"...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...uncover-paedophile-ring-500-potential-victims

 

[butchersapron]

I daren't dig further for that "even suggesting that one victim was "genetically predisposed" to being abused."

 

[andysays]

I daren't dig further for that "even suggesting that one victim was "genetically predisposed" to being abused."

There is a lot about this unfolding saga to which my response has been "What the Fuck?!?", but that just plumbs new depths of WTFness

 

[butchersapron]

That's uber-nazi stuff. Really.

 

[William of Walworth]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...uncover-paedophile-ring-500-potential-victims

That's going to be tomorrow's big Saturday Guardian story I'm taking it?

Grim as fuck agreed

 

[elbows]

The horror of the genetically predisposed court claim was mentioned in a 2012 piece.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/13/abuse-teenage-boys-detention-centre-crime

The Home Office fought every allegation. At one point, Steve says, a doctor was brought forward in court to claim that Kevin Young was genetically predisposed to being abused. Young received £94,000 to compensate for his suffering and lost fortune. He reckons he spent £40,000 fighting his case. Steve received compensation in 2009 – £40,000.

 

[laptop]

I daren't dig further for that "even suggesting that one victim was "genetically predisposed" to being abused."

I'm left wondering what the fuck the witness actually said or believed...

 

[butchersapron]

The horror of the genetically predisposed court claim was mentioned in a 2012 piece.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/13/abuse-teenage-boys-detention-centre-crime

Thanks.

 

[William of Walworth]

i remember that 2012 article now. Vile, disgraceful stuff

 

[elbows]

A former customs officer is the source for the latest story about the tory ex-cabinet minister.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...eo-of-child-sex-abuse-and-ex-cabinet-minister

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-tory-minister-pictured-child-sex-3300248

A former Tory cabinet minister was pictured in a video allegedly featuring child sex abuse, it has been claimed.

The tape is believed to be among a batch of films seized by customs officials and handed over to MI5, reports the Sunday People.

No details about it have ever been made public.

But the customs officer who seized the haul is said to have identified the ex-minister in the footage.

However, he declined to say whether or not the politician was participating in the alleged child abuse.

A probe by the Sunday People and investigative website Exaro has uncovered evidence that the cassette was confiscated at Dover in 1982.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Seemed like a bunch of crank economic stuff?

Here : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/truth-money-iou-bank-of-england-austerity

 

[Celt]

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/savilejaconellicorrigan-paedo-ring-investigation-update

if this has already been posted apologies

 

[brogdale]

Exaro continue to do good work to keep the Cyril Smith case open...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...council-files-on-cyril-smith-s-special-school

 

[fjydj]

Exaro continue to do good work to keep the Cyril Smith case open...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...council-files-on-cyril-smith-s-special-school

and its in the mail too -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yril-Smiths-industrial-scale-child-abuse.html

 

[butchersapron]

Danczuk's book says that Smith was mates with Peter Righton.

 

[butchersapron]

According to ace investigative report Johnathon Corke there's another challenge to the cover-up of Smith and accomplices going through the courts as we speak.

 

[Dillinger4]

I find it interesting that 'some tories' are now loudly calling for a higher threshold of evidence following the acquittal of Nigel Evans, just when the Cyril Smith stuff is about to blow up.

I don't have any evidence for it or anything. Just an interesting coincidence.

 

[DotCommunist]

I find it interesting that 'some tories' are now loudly calling for a higher threshold of evidence following the acquittal of Nigel Evans, just when the Cyril Smith stuff is about to blow up.

I don't have any evidence for it or anything. Just an interesting coincidence.

it struck me that at its intensity, schofield handing Cameron a List live on This Morning etc, it seemed nobody was untouchable, then the wrongly accused man (apparently) can't recall his name. Wanted to sue everyone on twitter. McAlpine. After that the inquiries higher up than light entertainment stars and carehomes seemed to fizzle out with only the ex deputy speaker (now aquitted) and the dead cyril still in the frame (so to speak). Convenient.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Personally I don't think it was helpful or appropriate to view the Nigel Evans stuff in really the same range of cases as many others discussed here. The alleged victims were adult and the incidents far more recent.

But if there is a lingering sense of cover up on some cases it's no surprise. The evidence is in - secret services were part of a conspiracy of silence in at least The Smith case and (IIRC) the other much talked about case involving a 1980s minister. The establishment has absolutely and irrefutably facilitated the rape of children. Very little of consequence has visibly happened as a result. From their point of view, why should it?

 

[Dan U]

Radio 5 right now is about Cyril Smith and what the lib dems knew. Am about to get out of my car but thought I would flag it if anyone is interested

 

[butchersapron]

I can't remember if this has been posted or not - a quick search doesn't show it up, but here's the private eye story from 1979 on the Rochdale Alternative Press story on Smith:

 

[elbows]

Cheers for that. I can't remember if I read it before or not, mostly because the details that emerged in 1979 are the same ones that re-emerged recently and were usually presented as if they were previously untold.