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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

ska invita said:
Female MP 'abused care home boy aged 13 as part of paedophile network at heart of government'
Jan 12, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-mp-abused-care-home-3015744
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Some exaro stuff today:

1) Key witness in Op #Fernbridge tells us, that contrary to reports, he did not tell police that he was sexually abused by a female MP.

2) @MarkWatts_1
2/2 Since that update [not the one above], more witnesses in Operation #Fernbridge have reported suspicious interference to us
 
benedict said:
Some Yewtree news. The alleged name of this "beloved pop star" is doing the rounds of course. If true, I had expected him to turn up via Op. Fernbridge.
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I thought "I'll just google this, but I bet it's going to be **** **** being put in the frame", and lo and behold.
Not sure I believe it though, 'cos he's had plenty of digging into his background by the media in the last 50 years or so.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I thought "I'll just google this, but I bet it's going to be **** **** being put in the frame", and lo and behold.
Not sure I believe it though, 'cos he's had plenty of digging into his background by the media in the last 50 years or so.
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Is the person you're thinking of someone who's remained a batchelor?
 
Most of the people who have been arrested under Yewtree (with a few exceptions), not to mention Savile himself, have tended to be people one might have thought "uh-huh, that figures" about. I suspect that "beloved" might be careful language to describe someone that a lot of people would be quite horrified to find out was involved.

Which is sad. Not that I think that illusions should be preserved at the cost of justice, but it is quite disheartening to see just how much of the youth culture of so many of us of a Certain Age has been tainted by what is beginning to look like an endemic, if not systematic, catalogue of sexual misconduct amongst those behind that culture.

Not to mention the - now obvious - fact that so many people can have been abused, not just by celebrities, but weren't able to disclose it at the time. The society many of us grew up in was clearly very broken indeed.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I thought "I'll just google this, but I bet it's going to be **** **** being put in the frame", and lo and behold.
Not sure I believe it though, 'cos he's had plenty of digging into his background by the media in the last 50 years or so.
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A depressingly predictable prediction, indeed. And rick pickings for xxxxx's lawyers out there...
 
laptop said:
A depressingly predictable prediction, indeed. And rick pickings for xxxxx's lawyers out there...
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If it is him, then his lawyers have done a damn good job over the years, because aside from him cuckolding a member of his backing band, he doesn't seem to have put a foot wrong in public.
 
quiquaquo said:
Fair enough, I blame the cat.
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It was a bloody stupid thing to do.

I can see you're new, so do make it your business to look at the stickies about this kind of thing, and acquainting yourself with the FAQ wouldn't be a bad move, either.

Pulling that kind of stunt can get boards like this into extremely serious hot water - and anyway, don't you think that dozens of us wouldn't have thought of playing the same kind of clue games, but thought better of it?

There is a sticky about naming suspects in these cases, but I can't find it, so I am reporting my own post so that any mods tripping gaily by can oblige by sticking the link in here somewhere...

Edit: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...threads-and-naming-living-individuals.300541/ is the thread - stuck in the "UK Current Affairs..". Not sure what else we can do to make it more obvious - Lazy Llama (tripping gaily by)
 
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existentialist said:
It was a bloody stupid thing to do.

I can see you're new, so do make it your business to look at the stickies about this kind of thing, and acquainting yourself with the FAQ wouldn't be a bad move, either.

Pulling that kind of stunt can get boards like this into extremely serious hot water - and anyway, don't you think that dozens of us wouldn't have thought of playing the same kind of clue games, but thought better of it?

There is a sticky about naming suspects in these cases, but I can't find it, so I am reporting my own post so that any mods tripping gaily by can oblige by sticking the link in here somewhere...
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TBF, a few others have dropped hints, but not quite as blatant as the last one.

Even I was able to work out he was referring to
no, I'm not going to name anyone :p
 
andysays said:
TBF, a few others have dropped hints, but not quite as blatant as the last one.

Even I was able to work out he was referring to
no, I'm not going to name anyone :p
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Yeah, I know. I just facepalmed slightly at the earlier ones, but that one was pretty damn blatant! Anyway, it's gone now (in fact, it went while I was fulminating, but I CBA to go and edit my post back to a dot, and I'm sure it won't be the last one...)
 
Latest Elm Guest house stuff from Exaro:

Details of a 'staging post' some victims were taken too before the guest house.

Some details from a former worker at the Richmond care home.

At least 4 children abused at Elm Guest house.

A source close to the police investigation says that none of the victims that have come forward have been able to identify any of the perpetrators. Other victims won't co-operate as they don't trust the police.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...igate-use-of-staging-post-for-elm-guest-house

So as things stand I now have low expectations of any VIPs being charged in direct connection with the Elm Guest house stuff. I suppose that could change, but it seems more likely that if any VIP charges are eventually brought, it will be the result of branches off of that investigation rather than direct events at Elm Guest house itself.
 
ViolentPanda said:
If it is him, then his lawyers have done a damn good job over the years, because aside from him cuckolding a member of his backing band, he doesn't seem to have put a foot wrong in public.
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There is that visitor list from Elm Guest House though... I'm not sure of its provenance (maybe from someone from a defunct national child protection organization?) or when it dates from. I'm sure elbows knows the details.
 
Yes that list was written long ago by NAYPIC people. From what I can gather I would describe NAYPIC as somewhat unconventional, which is both good in that they could go where highly 'professional' orgs wouldn't, but bad in terms of their organisation, the fact they went defunct, etc.

Chris Faye from NAYPIC has, I believe, cautioned against taking the list too literally or reading too much into it on its own. Its really a starting point for investigation, and because that guest house was also a 'standard' gay brothel, it is certainly not at all safe to assume that all visitors mentioned were guilty of abusing underage people.

The list itself was created many, many years ago, using some source material from the guest house, and some accounts from involved parties and the attempts at investigation that NAYPIC people did at the time. It sat for several decades, along with a volume of other material collected in the same way, at the property of Mary Moss who is the other name associated with NAYPIC. She has some issues, which I won't dwell on now, but the bottom line is she didn't trust the police, and rather than hand the evidence over to them she (or people associated with her) took photos of the material and put it on the internet at some point (forget right now) over the last 12-18 months. The police then came and took the evidence away to use themselves, despite her unwillingness to co-operate fully.
 
elbows said:
She has some issues, which I won't dwell on now, but the bottom line is she didn't trust the police, and rather than hand the evidence over to them she (or people associated with her) took photos of the material and put it on the internet at some point (forget right now) over the last 12-18 months. The police then came and took the evidence away to use themselves, despite her unwillingness to co-operate fully.
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rightly so mind given the intimidation they (allegedly) suffered at the hands of special branch at the time of compiling that list and investigating further from it.
 
Corke continues his excellent work at the Daily Star of all places:

Liberal party leader David Steel put sex beast MP Cyril Smith forward for a knighthood

A document obtained by this newspaper reveals it was longtime Liberal party leader David Steel who put Smith forward for a knighthood in 1988.

Nine years earlier, the now Lord Steel had been made aware of allegations that Smith had abused several children in the 1960s.

At the time, his office dismissed the claims, which were published in a magazine, saying: "All he seems to have done is spanked a few bare bottoms."
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