Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[krtek a houby]

This (borrowed from a Trump thread) is sickening

Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’

Donald Trump’s son-in-law also says Israel should bulldoze an area of the Negev desert and move Palestinians there

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gramsci]

That Oscars speech really has triggered many people indeed:

Jonathan Glazer: more than 450 Jewish creatives denounce Oscars speech in open letter

Signatories, including Debra Messing, Jennifer Jason Leigh and Nancy Spielberg, accuse The Zone of Interest director of fuelling ‘a growing anti-Jewish hatred around the world’

www.theguardian.com

Makes me want to see the film

He also did Under the Skin. Which is one of the best sci fi films of recent times.

One of his critics in article directed Son of Saul

Son of Saul (2015) ⭐ 7.4 | Drama, War

1h 47m | 15

www.imdb.com

Which I see is on for free on ITV player

They both appear to have completely opposing views but both produce very good films. ( I'm assuming Zone of Interest is as good as critics say it is. )

Son of Saul is demanding gruelling watch. A few days in a concentration camp near end of WW2. Id recommend it as one of the best fictional films about the Holocaust I've seen,

Sometimes think its best to see works of art and draw ones own conclusions.

 

[Gramsci]

US and UK doctors in Washington to warn of IDF’s ‘appalling atrocities’ in Gaza

Doctors who have returned from volunteering at besieged hospitals to tell officials aid is meaningless without a ceasefire

www.theguardian.com

Doctors who have volunteered to work in hospitals in Gaza say health facilities and staff be being targeted by IDF.

The reason: to destroy health infrastructure in order to get civilians to leave.

Crucial equipment is destroyed.

One said he had meetings with Cameron. But came away thinking this was just a tick boxing exercise and nothing will change.

 

[teqniq]

That Oscars speech really has triggered many people indeed:

Jonathan Glazer: more than 450 Jewish creatives denounce Oscars speech in open letter

Signatories, including Debra Messing, Jennifer Jason Leigh and Nancy Spielberg, accuse The Zone of Interest director of fuelling ‘a growing anti-Jewish hatred around the world’

www.theguardian.com

There appears to be some dodginess going on with this:

 

[The39thStep]

US and UK doctors in Washington to warn of IDF’s ‘appalling atrocities’ in Gaza

Doctors who have returned from volunteering at besieged hospitals to tell officials aid is meaningless without a ceasefire

www.theguardian.com

Doctors who have volunteered to work in hospitals in Gaza say health facilities and staff be being targeted by IDF.

The reason: to destroy health infrastructure in order to get civilians to leave.

Crucial equipment is destroyed.

One said he had meetings with Cameron. But came away thinking this was just a tick boxing exercise and nothing will change.

Nick Maynard quoted in the article above also described this

 

[Pickman's model]

Nick Maynard quoted in the article above also described this

Yeh this genocidal onslaught is really going to make the zionists more secure

 

[PTK]

Nick Maynard quoted in the article above also described this

This is sickening.
We must give thanks to our wonderful arms manufacturers and our political leaders for enabling the flesh to be burned off young children. It makes us proud to be British.

 

[Pickman's model]

What happens to the zionists after the genocide? ‘Man-made famine’ charge against Israel is backed by mounting body of evidence I have long thought they intended to kill hundreds of thousands of Palestinians but a million or more may be on the cards. What sort of measures will be undertaken to bring Netanyahu and his filthy band to justice? And going by the obvious precedent for war crimes and crimes against humanity can we hope they'll receive the same penalty as the likes of keitel and von papen?

 

[Gramsci]

At least some Labour MPs are saying arms to Israel should be stopped.

Been quite impressed by Clive Lewis MP over time:

Here he is in Parliament.

The answer he gets is that Israel has a "right to defend itself" and it must follow international law on this.

Which it clearly is not. So its nauseating to here this line trotted out all the time. Despite all evidence to contrary that is being displayed in news in real time

Why isnt Starmer up there saying what Clive Lewis is? Starmer is basically saying same as government ministers.

 

[Pickman's model]

At least some Labour MPs are saying arms to Israel should be stopped.

Been quite impressed by Clive Lewis MP over time:

Here he is in Parliament.

The answer he gets is that Israel has a "right to defend itself" and it must follow international law on this.

Which it clearly is not. So its nauseating to here this line trotted out all the time. Despite all evidence to contrary that is being displayed in news in real time

Why isnt Starmer up there saying what Clive Lewis is?

Shammer has tied himself to the zionist entity, he has nothing to offer

 

[Smangus]

Shammer has tied himself to the zionist entity, he has nothing to offer

I beg to differ , he has a head. Large and shameless mind.

 

[agricola]

Shammer has tied himself to the zionist entity, he has nothing to offer

Tied himself without having to be asked, as Biden did. Now both of them will watch in the sort of amazement that can only be found in entirely predictable outcomes as Netanyahu boosts their opponents as being the real friends of Israel.

 

[Pickman's model]

I wonder if the complaisance of both labour and tories on this matter will come back to bite those nefandous parties. I mean properly bite, not merely a nibble or two. What happens here if say a million Palestinians are murdered by the zionist fascists? Do people let it pass or abandon those complicit scum? Or perhaps take a more active policy toward them?

 

[teqniq]

I really hope it comes back to bite them come the election, their collective position is abhorrent and inexcusable.

 

[teqniq]

 

[Aladdin]

So lets name which governments have been bought to such an extent that they are letting this happen?

 

[mojo pixy]

'bought', let's not.

 

[Pickman's model]

So lets name which governments have been bought to such an extent that they are letting this happen?

Governments don't get bought, they are rented

 

[Aladdin]

Governments don't get bought, they are rented

Or maybe ... auctioned...

 

[Pickman's model]

Or maybe ... auctioned...

That's just a different way of saying bought

 

[Aladdin]

That's just a different way of saying bought

Yes...
But if looks more egalitarian

 

[mojo pixy]

So are we talking tentacles, international finance, or just malign global influence?

What are the err protocols for this influence?

 

[LDC]

E2A: can't be arsed, too frustrating & depressing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes...
But if looks more egalitarian

auctions aren't egalitarian. If they were I'd have an original van gogh on my wall

 

[Pickman's model]

E2A: can't be arsed, too frustrating & depressing.

It will get darker. We're going to descend into the abyss

 

[teqniq]

E2A: can't be arsed, too frustrating & depressing.

This depressing enough for you?

 

[teqniq]

Really???? And this man wants to be foreign secretary?

 

[andysays]

I don't think you are actually antisemitic Aladdin , but you do have an unfortunate tendency to unthinkingly post stuff closely adjacent to antisemitic tropes.

The idea that other governments have been "bought" by the Israelis or the Jews is one of those tropes.

Maybe a bit more thought about the words you use or the Twitter accounts you link to would be an idea in future.

 

[Karl Masks]

Realy???? And this man wants to be foreign secretary?

Didint he say, at the start of Israel's genocidal campaign, that he didn't oppose Israel's actions because he didn't want it affecting his career?

 

[Aladdin]

I don't think you are actually antisemitic Aladdin , but you do have an unfortunate tendency to unthinkingly post stuff closely adjacent to antisemitic tropes.

The idea that other governments have been "bought" by the Israelis or the Jews is one of those tropes.

Maybe a bit more thought about the words you use or the Twitter accounts you link to would be an idea in future.

I dont think I am antisemitic either..

I have no view other than "why is the world allowing 1.5 million people to be trapped and starved". If Palestine was doing this to Israel I would be equally appalled and upset and angry at the world if it was standing back allowing it to happen. But I doubt that the world would have taken nearly 5 months to intervene or get aid in.

Its not antisemitic to ask Why the UK US and indeed EU have taken so long to recognise that Gazans have a right to medicines food water and aid.

I genuinely do not understand why the UK and US have supported the actions of Israel.

Beat me up for asking about money ... I apologise for that.
If I have put 2 + 2 together and made 5 then mea culpa.