Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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toblerone3
Grrrrr
This from the Guardian article
"Amer Abu Awash, a member of Hamas’s elite Nukhba force, was asked about the connection between hospitals in Gaza and the “metro”, Hamas’s extensive tunnel network. A handcuffed Awash replied: “Most of them are hidden in the hospitals. [At] Shifa [hospital], for example, there are underground levels … Shifa is not small, it is a big place that can be used to hide things.
Abu Awash was then asked by the interrogator about why Hamas was using medical institutions such as hospitals and clinics, to which he answered, “[so] you won’t strike them.”
"Amer Abu Awash, a member of Hamas’s elite Nukhba force, was asked about the connection between hospitals in Gaza and the “metro”, Hamas’s extensive tunnel network. A handcuffed Awash replied: “Most of them are hidden in the hospitals. [At] Shifa [hospital], for example, there are underground levels … Shifa is not small, it is a big place that can be used to hide things.
Abu Awash was then asked by the interrogator about why Hamas was using medical institutions such as hospitals and clinics, to which he answered, “[so] you won’t strike them.”
ska invita
back on the other side
It all depends I think... Going to head down after work... Supposedly labour whipped to abstain.
Anyone seen video footage of people down there?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But what do you think?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
In video released by the IDF. What credibility do you attribute to videos released by the IDF?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Not going well then is it?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
There is alternative view cited in the article:
"Ezzat el-Reshiq, a Hamas official, denied allegations that the group was using the Shifa hospital as a shield for its underground military infrastructure, and said the claims have “no basis in truth”.
What credibility do you attribute to that?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not a lot. But I attribute a good amount of credibility to the various medical staff who have stated over the weeks that they have seen no evidence of a Hamas headquarters in the hospital facilities they were working in.
Now you answer my question.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh I'd advise you to look wider than The Guardian for coverage of this. The Guardian has been really shit.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Middle East Eye has some useful coverage
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep, and while its Qatari ownership may be problematic (not particularly more problematic than the BBC's British ownership really), Al Jazeera has been good.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Interesting piece on wider Arab public reaction, noting the civil, non-violent nature of much popular protest and little appetite for condoning hamas terror either: https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/...public-response-to-israel-hamas-war-pub-90893
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Voting now
(actually, that's on the labour amendment, the SNP one is now due up in ten mins, 19.25ish)
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There you have it. It's antisemitic to distrust the Israeli government's version of, well, anything, despite the fact that they are proven liars.
And then straight into the false dichotomy. 'You don't believe Israel, well that means you believe Hamas'
The CIA line is kind of funny though. My God You Don't Believe the CIA???? Are you a Commie or something?
And then straight into the false dichotomy. 'You don't believe Israel, well that means you believe Hamas'
The CIA line is kind of funny though. My God You Don't Believe the CIA???? Are you a Commie or something?
ska invita
back on the other side
About 4,000 people I reckon. Loud though... Would be nice to think they can hear something whilst they vote for ethnic cleansing
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
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wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
293 for to 125 against a ceasefire according to the beeb
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Incredible as it may seem, it was the other way around.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
It would appear that Canada has had enough of giving Israel carte blanche wrt the onslaught in Palestine.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called for Israel to stop “killing babies,” earning a furious response from Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu.
Trudeau said on Tuesday that the “killing of women, of children, of babies” in the besieged Gaza Strip must end. Netanyahu pushed back, insisting that Hamas is responsible for civilian deaths as Israeli forces continue to batter the enclave.
“I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint,” Trudeau said in his sharpest criticism of Israel since the war on Gaza broke out more than five weeks ago. “The world is watching, on TV, on social media – we’re hearing the testimonies of doctors, family members, survivors, kids who have lost their parents.
“The world is witnessing this killing of women, of children, of babies. This has to stop,” he told a news conference in the western province of British Columbia.
In a post on X directed at Trudeau, early on Wednesday, Netanyahu said: “It is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians but Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the Holocaust.”
“The forces of civilization must back Israel in defeating Hamas barbarism,” Netanyahu continued.
Canada has maintained that Israel has the right to defend itself against Hamas after the Palestinian group attacked southern Israel on October 7, killing 1,200 people.
But it has also expressed increasing concern over the mounting death toll in the battered and besieged enclave, where more than 11,200 Palestinians have been killed by Israel since the conflict started.
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“The price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians,” Trudeau said on Tuesday. “All wars have rules. All innocent life has equal worth. Israeli and Palestinian.”
www.aljazeera.com
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called for Israel to stop “killing babies,” earning a furious response from Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu.
Trudeau said on Tuesday that the “killing of women, of children, of babies” in the besieged Gaza Strip must end. Netanyahu pushed back, insisting that Hamas is responsible for civilian deaths as Israeli forces continue to batter the enclave.
“I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint,” Trudeau said in his sharpest criticism of Israel since the war on Gaza broke out more than five weeks ago. “The world is watching, on TV, on social media – we’re hearing the testimonies of doctors, family members, survivors, kids who have lost their parents.
“The world is witnessing this killing of women, of children, of babies. This has to stop,” he told a news conference in the western province of British Columbia.
In a post on X directed at Trudeau, early on Wednesday, Netanyahu said: “It is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians but Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the Holocaust.”
“The forces of civilization must back Israel in defeating Hamas barbarism,” Netanyahu continued.
Canada has maintained that Israel has the right to defend itself against Hamas after the Palestinian group attacked southern Israel on October 7, killing 1,200 people.
But it has also expressed increasing concern over the mounting death toll in the battered and besieged enclave, where more than 11,200 Palestinians have been killed by Israel since the conflict started.
AD
“The price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians,” Trudeau said on Tuesday. “All wars have rules. All innocent life has equal worth. Israeli and Palestinian.”
Canadian PM tells Israel to end ‘killing of babies’
Israel’s Netanyahu lashes out after Justin Trudeau urged ‘restraint’ in Gaza.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Yes I’ve since looked and found he in the end was an Assad apologist/confabulator. A great pity. No more heroes any more (apart from Kendall/Harvey/Ball of course..)
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
9 Labour frontbenchers have resigned over the vote, including Jess Phillips.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Scum: shades of Reichstag fire but no dissimulation?
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
If the Bellingcat spooks are querying the IDF then Israel is clearly losing the propaganda war…
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I recall Bowen explaining how to disable a tank soon after Russian tanks rolled into the rest of Ukraine last year. That seemed a liitle biased.
teqniq
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