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Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

Then there's fire risk assessments. Legislation is slack here. Prosecution for not doing the job properly but nothing to ensure in advance that it will be. Plenty of scope for skimping on the job. Classic case of passing something off onto the private sector because the public sector is inadequately funded.

38.1 There is no legal requirement for the fire risk assessment to be carried out by specialists, such as consultants. Indeed, in the case of, say, small or modern blocks of flats (eg built within the last 20 years), it can be advantageous for the landlord or other responsible person to use this guide and carry out the fire risk assessment themselves. Their consequent understanding of the fire safety design in the building will enable them to manage fire safety better on an ongoing basis.
38.2 In the case of taller blocks of flats (eg comprising more than a ground and three upper storeys), more specialist knowledge may be necessary to carry out a fire risk assessment, particularly if the block was designed and constructed before 1992. However, the decision as to whether to use outside specialists to carry out a fire risk assessment rests with the responsible person.
P. 48 here: https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/fire-safety-purpose-built-04b.pdf
 
I think it's extremely rich of anyone to cast the first (or largest) stone at a public service that has been cut to the bone (under BJ as mayor alone, it lost 10 fire stations, 300 firefighters and 30 engines), rather than the council or management company,

If the fire service is chronically underfunded then people need to know it is failing as a result. If there is no criticism and everyone thinks the fire service performs flawlessly then why would there be any argument for increasing funding?

Councils (including building control departments) have had their funding cut to the bone too.
 
If the fire service is chronically underfunded then people need to know it is failing as a result. If there is no criticism and everyone thinks the fire service performs flawlessly then why would there be any argument for increasing funding?

Councils (including building control departments) have had their funding cut to the bone too.

I agree that people need to know where the fire service is failing due to underfunding. I just don't think that they should be scapegoated for this when the larger degree of fault clearly lies with the people who caused the problem in the first place. Knowingly.

Yes, they have. Solidly tory K&C is not one of them, though. Over the last 8 years their budget has increased by 10%.
 
when the larger degree of fault clearly lies with the people who caused the problem in the first place. Knowingly.

We don't really know that yet. I expect there will be multiple points of failing, it will be complicated and they will have been done with varying degrees of understanding of the consequences. That'll be the reality even if most people won't want to see it in those terms.
 
We don't really know that yet. I expect there will be multiple points of failing, it will be complicated and they will have been done with varying degrees of understanding of the consequences. That'll be the reality even if most people won't want to see it in those terms.

You're right that it's pretty pointless to discuss this until the report is actually out.
 
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The Phase 1 Report is now online. There's an Executive Summary and then the report itself split into four separate pdf's.

Obviously there is a lot of it. The recommendations are in chapter 33 - starting on page 272 of the fourth pdf.

Phase 1 report - Grenfell Tower Inquiry

ETA: The Chair of the Inquiry has put up a short video summarizing the reports findings
 
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Response to the report from Grenfell United :

“Grenfell United have chosen not to break our silence ahead of the Grenfell Inquiry Phase 1 Report being made public and we are disappointed that a number of media outlets and individuals chose to do so.

“While nothing can ever bring back our loved ones that passed away in the fire, this is a strong report with a forensic examination of the events of the night and clear recommendations that if implemented will save lives. The Government cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of Lakanal and ignore them.

“Justice means different things for all of us but the truth needs to be at the heart of our collective healing. We have been waiting a long time for this report. Today’s findings give us some confidence that our journey towards truth has finally begun.

“We now need to urgently see responsibility and action from this report, not excuses. One of the most worrying findings is Sir Martin Moore Bick’s view that the LFB are currently an institution at risk of not learning the lessons from Grenfell. ”

ON HOW THE FIRE STARTED:

“We are glad to read this report totally exonerates our neighbour in flat 16. The Whirlpool fridge started the fire and our neighbour did everything he could do try to stop it and raise the alarm. He is long overdue an apology from media and corporates that tried to scapegoat him. ”

ON THE BUILDING:

“One of the most important conclusions for us is Sir Martin Moore Bick found that the building was not compliant with building regulations. This finding means that RBKC and KCTMO have serious questions to answer in phase 2 of the inquiry, as do each of the corporates involved including Arconic, Celotex, Studio E and Rydon amongst others. “This finding adds to our determination to see criminal charges brought against those responsible for turning our homes into a ‘death trap’.”

ON TMO AND RBKC:

“As we know all too well RBKC, and the KCTMO have been found to be deficient, with a 15 year out of date emergency plan, no plans of the building and no plans for rescuing disabled residents. Robert Black, the KCTMO's Chief Executive, failed us on many levels and was held to account by the Chair for the detachment he displayed during hearings. And this is just the beginning. RBKC and KCTMO are at the centre of the refurbishment project and we are confident much more will be exposed in phase 2.”

ON THE LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF THE LONDON FIRE SERVICE:

“Sir Martin Moore Bick recognises that many firefighters showed ‘enormous courage’. The reality is, mistakes were made and opportunities missed by individuals on the night, but contrary to commentary ahead of publication, the report does not blame the firefighters on the night for the fire, instead he shows how they were let down by their training, procedures, equipment and leadership.

“It is heartbreaking to read that more of our loved ones could have been saved that night if the building was evacuated earlier. We have been saying for two years that stay put must be reviewed and fire fighters must get the training they need to evacuate, now it is beyond doubt.

“One of the most worrying parts of the report is Sir Martin’s view that the ‘LFB is an institution at risk of not learning the lessons of Grenfell’.

“Senior officers in the LFB must stop hiding behind the bravery of their front line fire fighters. The Grenfell fire is proof that they failed to learn the lessons from Lakanal, this cannot happen again. The most senior leadership of the LFB must face consequences for these failings if there is to be change. And the LFB must make urgent fundamental changes to training and procedures so that Londoners can be safe.”

WHAT MUST HAPPEN NOW:

“The Prime Minister must not only accept these recommendations in full, he must also outline how and when he will ensure they are implemented. He must bring in a national evacuation plan for high rises, new laws for building owners and ensure there must be institutional change at the LFB so that lessons are learnt. The Government will also provide the fire service with the resources it needs to make the necessary changes to training and equipment.”

“Our thoughts today are once again with people still sleeping in buildings covered in highly combustible cladding and insulation. This cannot go on any longer. The immediate and real dangers of these materials are now beyond any doubt. Lives are at risk and the Government need to treat this as a national emergency.

“Phase two of the inquiry must now focus on where responsibility for the devastating refurbishment lies. RBKC, the TMO and all companies involved must face serious questions. There can be no more hiding or trying to shift the blame. This is just the beginning. There is still a long road ahead for justice and change. For the 72 people that we lost, who are forever in our hearts, we will not stop until change comes.”

from their twitter account

ETA: and a statement from Justice for Grenfell
J4G Statement on Grenfell Inquiry Phase 1 report publication – Justice4Grenfell
 
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Inside Housing have put up some useful articles summarizing the reports findings and recommendations. The site is normally paywalled so here are archived copies of two of them.

The first is a general round up of what the report says and towards the bottom a list of the immediate recommendations it makes.

Grenfell Inquiry: round-up of Sir Martin Moore-Bick’s phase one conclusions

The second deals specifically with his finding that the refurbishment of the building meant it did not comply with building regulations, and that the ACM panels were the primary (but not sole) cause of the fire spread

Grenfell Inquiry: ACM cladding was ‘primary cause of fire spread’ and tower did not comply with regulations, judge rules
 
I guess they just thought he was wearing a lurid green tie, not that he was wearing a lurid green tie to honour Grenfell. Was this a widespread thing, or just something Corbyn did?
 
I guess they just thought he was wearing a lurid green tie, not that he was wearing a lurid green tie to honour Grenfell. Was this a widespread thing, or just something Corbyn did?
It's been the Grenfell campaign colour. Dizzzgusting tories.

Harpers said:
The East Façade of Kensington Palace, which is found in the same London borough as the tower block, was illuminated in the colour to mark the poignant anniversary and honour the victims. Other London landmarks including the London Eye, Cabinet Office and Downing Street also turned green.
 
A tory gooner complimented the speaker for, like himself,wearing his Arsenal tie & said it was a shame that Corbyn wasn't wearing his too.

Half the MPs were wearing a similar coloured heart next to their poppies so it is questionable that they were not aware. A lot of the Grenfell victims were watching from the strangers gallery too.
 
The BBC Grenfell podcast is producing new episodes covering the phase 1 report and one has been put up tonight which gives a broad summary of the reports key findings, illustrated with excerpts from the evidence given at the hearings. It concludes with an interview with Ed Daffarn of Grenfell United.

BBC Radio - The Grenfell Tower Inquiry with Eddie Mair - Downloads


I gather the intention is to go on to look at aspects of the report in more detail over the next few days.

I'm sure I'm not the only person struck by the faint absurdity of making recommendations to a Government which currently is 'in office but not in power'. For what little it's worth in the debate on the report in Parliament today our beloved Prime Minister stated
Where Sir Martin recommends that responsibility for fire safety should be taken on by central Government, I can confirm that we will legislate accordingly.

More widely, we plan to accept in principle all the recommendations that Sir Martin makes for central Government. We will set out how we plan to do so as quickly as possible, but I can assure the House and all those affected by the Grenfell tragedy that where action is called for action will follow.

"Plan to accept in principle" - how reassuring coming from such a principled leader.
 
Response to the report from Grenfell United :

“Grenfell United have chosen not to break our silence ahead of the Grenfell Inquiry Phase 1 Report being made public and we are disappointed that a number of media outlets and individuals chose to do so.
There are utter aresholes commenting on Grenfell United twitter calling them "compensation chasers", "shameful", "disgusting", "wrong" for criticising the fire brigade management/the stay put policy etc - supposedly because of solidarity with "heroic firefighters" (though obviously they haven't read FBU statement). Just depressing.
 
Unfortunately he is another Teflon politician where nothing will stick. He'll just ride it out because that's what they all learn, no morals and no personal responsibility for the decisions he takes.
 
Mogg is taking his edgelord reputation a bit far this morning

Next year the must have accessory for all members of the houses must be an a single headshot and a matching unmarked shallow grave.
 
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